Loving God More Than You Love Your Beloved

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

asking to kill someone under threat does not deprive you of your freedom, you have the FREE CHOICE to kill yourself an innocent or to let your enemy kill your loved ones. In this case if you kill the innocent you will have committed a mortal sin …
Consent is not free and complete when an act is performed with a reduced degree of attention. Weakness is not a motive that can make a sin not mortal.

You do NOT have free choice in a decision that involves a situation that means the lives of your family. You cannot have culpability. Even the Church teaches that. You are saying that the Church is somehow incorrect in the teachings of morality. It cannot be.

It is the Church, not I that teaches that mortal sin requires culpability, and culpability requires consent. It also teaches that one cannot consent under duress. This is why “shot gun” weddings are considered illicit and invalid.

 

[Mboo]

Now, a Saint is someone who chooses to go beyond what is called for, but it is NOT a sin to feel deprived of a choice and “choose” the “worse” action.

if” the “worse” action is a serious offense against God then it is a sin. And we must do everything to avoid mortal sin whatever the price to pay

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

Xanthippe_Voorhees:

Now, a Saint is someone who chooses to go beyond what is called for, but it is NOT a sin to feel deprived of a choice and “choose” the “worse” action.

if” the “worse” action is a serious offense against God then it is a sin. And we must do everything to avoid mortal sin whatever the price to pay

It doesn’t work that way. One can be a saint for choosing a more noble path, but one doesn’t have to do the more nobel action to remain in union with God (ie not sin)

 

[Mboo]

It is the Church, not I that teaches that mortal sin requires culpability, and culpability requires consent. It also teaches that one cannot consent under duress. This is why “shot gun” weddings are considered illicit and invalid.

If the invalid marriage was a sin then that person who have choose to be marry under duress would have sinned.
We are not longer free when it is impossible to make another choice. The threat giving just the posibility of choosing between the evil that your enemy presents and the harm you can do to God.
Give me a quote that says that sin under threat is not a sin. else Saint Peter would not cry his sin because he sinned under the threat

 

[Mboo]

It doesn’t work that way. One can be a saint for choosing a more noble path, but one doesn’t have to do the more nobel action to remain in union with God (ie not sin)

to avoid a mortal sin is not a “noble action” it is an obligation… On the other hand to give all its goods to the poor is a noble action without being an obligation,

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

Xanthippe_Voorhees:

It is the Church, not I that teaches that mortal sin requires culpability, and culpability requires consent. It also teaches that one cannot consent under duress. This is why “shot gun” weddings are considered illicit and invalid.

If the invalid marriage was a sin then that person who have choose to be marry under duress would have sinned.
We are not longer free when it is impossible to make another choice. The threat giving just the posibility of choosing between the evil that your enemy presents and the harm you can do to God.
Give me a quote that says that sin under threat is not a sin. else Saint Peter would not cry his sin because he sinned under the threat

LOL NO.

A person choosing to do an action under duress does NOT have culpability. This is why we recognize the action is invalid. It is not a sin to be under duress.

I will find the CCC quoted in the other thread. I think it was the one on apostocy.

 

[Mboo]

The constraint deprives freedom, the threat does not deprive freedom. Make an action under threat is not to do it under duress. We are forced when we have no choice.

 

[Mboo]

For example, rape is not a sin because it is done under duress. But if you are asked to commit adultery, otherwise you lose your job that causes you to feed your children, then you will have committed a sin