Loving God vs. Vengeful God?

[openmind77]

That’s one interpretation. I’ve given you another one.

I would think given your belief in reincarnation and karma that the tribes of Canaan got precisely what was their due.

They(the tribes of Canaan) prostituted and conducted human sacrifice of their own people in terrible and gruesome religious rites.

The Israelites are sent by God to exact justice on behalf of those abused and slain through a ban (and believe me the Israelites were not the only nation who made this a practice).

If you really believe in karma, what exactly is your complaint? It would seem that the tribes of Canaan who received the ban (not all of them did and if you really read the Scriptures you’d know that), received the karma for their crimes.

And if you really believe in reincarnation there’s no reason for you to call what they did “atrocities” because wouldn’t they have just been reincarnated into other lives?

Karma does not give you license to kill people or commit atrocities. God does not send anybody to exact justice. Human beings are responsible for their own actions, regardless of the victim’s karma. Massacres are atrocities whether people reincarnate or not.

 

[TaurusRex]

A definition of “karma” that I just read left me with the impression that together with “reincarnation” is the belief for example that if one acts like a pig in his first life, he will come back as a pig in his next life.

Is that a correct interpretation, that is, at least in part?

rex

 

[openmind77]

A definition of “karma” that I just read left me with the impression that together with “reincarnation” is the belief for example that if one acts like a pig in his first life, he will come back as a pig in his next life.

Is that a correct interpretation, that is, at least in part?

rex

This is really quite off-topic, but in Hinduism you always reincarnate as a human (some sects may differ). Being born possibly as an animal is more of a Buddhist belief.

 

[Amandil]

I didn’t contradict myself. I partially agreed with you. And you’re still complaining. There are some people who refuse to act rationally. And it is perfectly rational to point out the irrationality of others. Anyone who would attempt to ‘rationally’ justify genocide (something you have clearly attempted to do here) is not really acting rationally. You apparently cannot bring yourself to acknowledge the contradictory depictions of God that are presented in the Bible - contradictions that even grade school kids clearly can see.

1)I’m not God and neither are you. I didn’t nor need to “justify” anything. I simply asserted why it happened. Big difference.

You gave your interpretation(with no more authority than your own opinion to support it). I gave you the authoritative one.

Apparently, using your line of rationale, you have a problem with God enacting justice but no problem at all with “justifying” sex trafficking, forced prostitution of women, forced prostitution of young girls and boys, and human sacrifice of women an children by whole nations.

Jesus never claimed to be God.

If that’s your opinion you don’t know the Bible as well as you think you do.

Also, Jesus never wrote anything in the Bible.

Irrelevant.

Finally, you’re missing the point. There really isn’t any reason to believe the Bible is more divinely inspired than the Qur’an. And the only reason that you do is due entirely to prejudice.

That’s your opinion. I would say that if you’re claiming that there is “no reason to believe the Bible” that is only proof of my previous statement that you clearly don’t know as much as you think you do.

Just a comparative study of the difference between Jesus and the lives of the Apostles who proclaimed Jesus and authored the NT, compared to the lives of “Mohammed” and the Caliphs who followed him and authored the Koran and the Haddith, the differences are quite stark.

It’s not a strawman. You have been bashing philosophy and its methodology. Therefore, my question is legitimate. If you have such disdain for philosophy and its methodology, then why are you participating in a philosophy forum?

Quote me where I “bashed” philosophy as a science and you might have a point. I guarantee you that I never said anything like what you’re accusing me of saying. You’re just putting words in my mouth.

 

[Amandil]

Karma does not give you license to kill people or commit atrocities.

Strawman. I never said that it did. It’s not my belief, its yours.

I merely said that karma must mean that you have no reason or basis to acscribe any moral judgment to it at all.

All you can say is that it happened and that for the Canaanites it must have been “karma” for their atrocities.

God does not send anybody to exact justice.

Who are you to say that you know so much about God to say that you know precisely what God would do or not do, or what He ought to do or ought not to do?

Are you God?

Human beings are responsible for their own actions, regardless of the victim’s karma. Massacres are atrocities whether people reincarnate or not.

Then shouldn’t that apply for all? Why are you discriminating against the Jews and justifying the crimes of the Canaanites?

That seems rather intolerant all around.

 

[Counterpoint]

1)I’m not God and neither are you. I didn’t nor need to “justify” anything. I simply asserted why it happened. Big difference. .

You have attempted to morally defend what cannot be morally defended. No further commentary is necessary.

 

[openmind77]

Strawman. I never said that it did. It’s not my belief, its yours.

I merely said that karma must mean that you have no reason or basis to acscribe any moral judgment to it at all.

All you can say is that it happened and that for the Canaanites it must have been “karma” for their atrocities.

Who are you to say that you know so much about God to say that you know precisely what God would do or not do, or what He ought to do or ought not to do?

Are you God?

Then shouldn’t that apply for all? Why are you discriminating against the Jews and justifying the crimes of the Canaanites?

That seems rather intolerant all around.

I did not say what God should or should not do. I am saying that God does not speak to anyone and order them to commit atrocities. If anyone claims that, they are just trying to justify their own crimes.

Where did I justify the crimes of the Canaanites, if they committed any? Even if they did commit crimes, killing their women,children, babies can not be defended.

 

[Amandil]

I did not say what God should or should not do. I am saying that God does not speak to anyone and order them to commit atrocities. If anyone claims that, they are just trying to justify their own crimes.

That’s called begging the question.

Where did I justify the crimes of the Canaanites, if they committed any? Even if they did commit crimes, killing their women,children, babies can not be defended.

I’ve repeated several times what their crimes were. It seems rather that you’re content cherry picking what you accept and what you want to ignore.

Like I said, seems rather prejudicial. How can you make any honest assessment when you ignore a major portion of the data?

 

[Amandil]

You have attempted to morally defend what cannot be morally defended. No further commentary is necessary.

Another strawman.

I’ll take your silence in regards to your previous fallacious remark as proof that that remark was false as well.

God bless you.