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Luke 11:27-28
**As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.”

He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”**…Mary heard and obeyed the word of God so Jesus is telling us His mother is blessed because she obeyed God. the woman in the crowd was implying Mary was blessed because she gave birth and nursed him.
 
I tell you what, the word of God clearly says Jesus is the son of God, and there is no way around that truth. One cannot love Mary like those who love Christ as their messiah and God, who is the Word of God.
Is that a biblical belief or your own?

I can show you a few scriptures where Jesus uses “non-Jews” to show what true faith is to The Jews.

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Luke 11:27-28
**As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.”

He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”**…Mary heard and obeyed the word of God so Jesus is telling us His mother is blessed because she obeyed God. the woman in the crowd was implying Mary was blessed because she gave birth and nursed him.
And/Or, it could be seen as Jesus “incorporating” anyone who hear and obey the word of God “into” His family!

As if to say, “All can be blessed by obeying My Father too.”
 
You don’t believe in Purgatory.

No Purgatory for you.

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(Muslims call it al-A’raf )
**That is right. I do not understand the word “purgatory” because I heard it the first time now. But if it is A’raf then I understood it.

The Muslims believe that after the judgement of the last day, some people will go to heavens (Jannat) and some will go to hell. But there will be some people whose fate will be held in balance awaiting further orders. Such persons will be at a height and will be looking at those who are in heavens and will be looking at those who are in hell at the same.

These people at heights (in purgatory) will discuss things and will hope that God will send them to heavens. There is a whole chapter (number 7) in the Quran on this subject.**
 
**That is right. I do not understand the word “purgatory” because I heard it the first time now. But if it is A’raf then I understood it.

The Muslims believe that after the judgement of the last day, some people will go to heavens (Jannat) and some will go to hell. But there will be some people whose fate will be held in balance awaiting further orders. Such persons will be at a height and will be looking at those who are in heavens and will be looking at those who are in hell at the same.

These people at heights (in purgatory) will discuss things and will hope that God will send them to heavens. There is a whole chapter (number 7) in the Quran on this subject.**
Thank you for clearing that up!

So far, we have our reverance for Maryam and A’raf as well as the belief that God takes our charitable works into account when He passes judgement. We share the belief that God uses signs to speak to us and that it is good to venerate holy places.

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On the original post, I believe Mary made a “prophecy” when she stated in Luke 1:48: “From now on all generations will call me blessed.” Was this not a Biblical prophecy? She is saying ALL generations shall call her “blessed.” Does she not mean all future Christian generations so why are most “Bible” Christians not calling her “blessed” as instructed to by the Bible? What happened to the literalists in Protestantism who believe in Creationism but refuse to call the Mother of God “Blessed?” It always made me laugh how they “pick and choose” what to take literally.

I’m not sure about Muslims addressing her with “blessed,” but I definitely know Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christian do so, the only denominations fulfilling this particular prophecy.

Otherwise, and this is from memory, but I remember reading about a holy site (a house) in Ephesus, Turkey where the Blessed Virgin Mary was suppose to have lived with St. John the Apostle after the Crucifixion which is visited more by Muslims (second only after Catholics) then Protestants. Sad, but probably true.
 
On the original post, I believe Mary made a “prophecy” when she stated in Luke 1:48: “From now on all generations will call me blessed.” Was this not a Biblical prophecy? She is saying ALL generations shall call her “blessed.” Does she not mean all future Christian generations so why are most “Bible” Christians not calling her “blessed” as instructed to by the Bible? What happened to the literalists in Protestantism who believe in Creationism but refuse to call the Mother of God “Blessed?” It always made me laugh how they “pick and choose” what to take literally.

I’m not sure about Muslims addressing her with “blessed,” but I definitely know Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christian do so, the only denominations fulfilling this particular prophecy.

Otherwise, and this is from memory, but I remember reading about a holy site (a house) in Ephesus, Turkey where the Blessed Virgin Mary was suppose to have lived with St. John the Apostle after the Crucifixion which is visited more by Muslims (second only after Catholics) then Protestants. Sad, but probably true.
Muslims have gone way beyond just blessed. They consider her a prophet because God spoke to her through and angel.

As for Protestants, some do call her blessed, but none call her “Blessed”.

I believe in my heart that the best Protestants want to love her. But their afraid of what other’s might think of her or of offending God which is a reasonable fear.

Lucky for us, we don’t have those chains of man!

We can do what Jesus told us…to love each other as He loves us (which frees us to love Mary as our mother).
 
I made the statement that Catholics and Muslims love Mary more than Protestants do. For this, I was called presumtuous.

I’d like to give Protestants a format to defend themselves against my statement.

Now, I can’t speak for Muslims in detail, but I know that they love and revere Mary. They even have an entire book of the Koran devoted to her. I’ll hope that a Muslim can enlighten us all (and if neccessary, correct me if I’m wrong on what I believe they feel for her) on how their faith sees Mary, the mother of Jesus.

As for Catholics, I can’t speak for every last Catholic, but generally speaking, we love her. We have no issues with veneration of Mary. We see her as our mother (as Jesus is our brother through our common Father Who is God, The Father).

We ask her to pray for us.

We defend her when others belittle her or impune her reputation.

We are jealous for her image to the world and guard it against misrepresentations.

We praise her.

We mention her regularly.

We have always felt this way, since the beginning of Christianity.

Former Catholics who’d go on to be the church fathers of the Protestant Reformation also venerated Mary (Luther, Calvin, Zwigli, etc…).

The non-veneration of Mary was created post Reformation by anti-Catholic Protestants and is a relatively new practice having only been employed during the last 400 years.

But for 2,000 years, Christianity has loved and revered the woman who gave up her only born Son so that man would be saved.

We are grateful to her.

Jesus, Who is The Life, came through her womb, therefore, our eternal Salvation Who is Christ came through her womb…her womb gave us life…just like a mother does to any child born naturally.

Scripture calls anybody who follows Christ the children of the woman who gave birth to Jesus Christ (Revelations 12:17).

So, we love her as Jesus Himself loved her…as our own mother.

Catholics, if you can add onto what I said or just want to offer your own words and/or corrections, by all means please do.

Non-Catholic Christians, the question is to you…am I wrong to assert that Catholics and Muslims love and revere and hold Mary in higher esteem than you do?

If so, I welcome your explanation & correction because I would love to be wrong about this one. I really would. I would really like to know that you consider Mary (as The Scriptures tell us) the mother of all Christians and that you love her even more than Muslims do.

Of course, we can all define for ourselves what love is and just so that there’s no confusion, I’ve listed what I believe Catholics feel for Mary as a common faith (and can be corrected by Catholics if need be).

Do Catholics and Muslims love Mary more than non-Catholic Christians?
 
To discuss the role of the Blessed Mother whom I fondly refer as Mama from any theological point is a mute stance for me. I can only attest to her love for this child of hers’ that at best has been a hand full. She guides me with love far beyond my words to explain and is ever present in every beat of my heart.

On 10/16/02 The year of the rosary declared by Pope John Paul II Mama gave me a heart to pray the “complete” rosary effortlessly. This praying of the rosary excluded rushing, yawning, and making excuse to get out of praying the one decade that I once prayed. On 1/22/08 she put it in my heart to pray yet another complete rosary daily in the evening. This calling was present several months before the 22nd, in which time Mama revealed what the second rosary intentions are to be.

I find the praying of the rosary is a deepening of prayer and is in constant fine tuning of intentions and communing with Jesus who Mama always directs this soul to.

It is mention the rosary may be excessive. This soul reaping from the deep devotion to prayer I was bless with, knows that prayer is never excessive but freeing.

Peace,
Linda
 
I have great respect for Mary for doing the will of GOD. I don’t ask her to pray for me because the Bible clearly tells us that Jesus is the one and only mediator between us and GOD.

You make one comment that is slightly alarming. You say Mary gave up her only son. Mary had nothing to do with it. Do you recall John 3:16 by any chance?? Mary couldn’t stop Jesus from dying on the cross even if she tried. Also Mary did have other children as also stated in the Bible but that of course is a different discussion.

I find it interesting that Mary is held with such a high regard and yet she is barely mentioned in the Bible. Jesus himself doesn’t even give any special status to her. This is demonstrated in Luke

11:27 As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.” 28He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”

Jesus himself deflects the importance of Mary as a person and stresses the importance of obeying God. Saying anyone who obeys God is Blessed.
 
To discuss the role of the Blessed Mother whom I fondly refer as Mama from any theological point is a mute stance for me. I can only attest to her love for this child of hers’ that at best has been a hand full. She guides me with love far beyond my words to explain and is ever present in every beat of my heart.

On 10/16/02 The year of the rosary declared by Pope John Paul II Mama gave me a heart to pray the “complete” rosary effortlessly. This praying of the rosary excluded rushing, yawning, and making excuse to get out of praying the one decade that I once prayed. On 1/22/08 she put it in my heart to pray yet another complete rosary daily in the evening. This calling was present several months before the 22nd, in which time Mama revealed what the second rosary intentions are to be.

I find the praying of the rosary is a deepening of prayer and is in constant fine tuning of intentions and communing with Jesus who Mama always directs this soul to.

It is mention the rosary may be excessive. This soul reaping from the deep devotion to prayer I was bless with, knows that prayer is never excessive but freeing.

Peace,
Linda
And I’m definately a “Mama’s Boy!”

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avonlise;3214136:
I beg to differ. I am Protestant and I definitly do not treat Mary that way. As a matter of fact, I love her just as much as my husband, who is Catholic.
Thank you for sharing that.

And God bless your heart.

I’m learning that there is a strong undercurrent of Marian love growing among Protestants.

That’s always a beautiful thing.

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I have great respect for Mary for doing the will of GOD. I don’t ask her to pray for me because the Bible clearly tells us that Jesus is the one and only mediator between us and GOD.
I’m sure you speaking of 1 Tim 2:5. Do you ever ask your friends or family to pray for you? What’s the difference whether you ask them to pray for you or Mary? Either way, they are all mediators, but they are mediators between you and Jesus, not you and God the Father. Mary makes requests of her Son.

I’m sure your next argument will be that she is “dead” as opposed to your friends/family who still live, but Christ conquered death (2 Timothy 1:10), it has no hold over Christians and it is also stated death does not separate ‘dead’ Christians from the Church (Romans 8:38-39).

So why don’t you ask Mary to pray for you again? Why don’t you just try it like the former anti-Catholic Rev. Scott Hahn did. He prayed a Rosary about something “impossible”, of course, believing there was no way Mary would come through for him. Now he’s a Catholic convert, professor at a Catholic university and a Catholic apologist. Interesting. Why don’t you just try the same?
 
Let’s look at 1 Timothy in it’s proper context:
1 Timothy Chpt 2:
[1-5] First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way. This is good, and it is acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Paul is urging us to prayerfully intercede for not only one another but for those in authority. Paul says that intercessory prayer is good and acceptable to God.

Also 1 Cor 3:9 For we are God’s fellow workers…(RSV)

Some translations have, “For we are God’s co-workers…”(NAB)

God has willed that we work with Christ for the salvation of men and women. Salvation is ultimately God’s work in Christ, but we are Christ’s brothers and sisters. We are “other Christs”, children of God and co-heirs with Christ, anointed-which is what “Christ” means- with the Spirit of God to cooperate with God to bring about the salvation of others and to bring about the kingdom of God. All this is God’s gift to us for without Him we wouldn’t even know where to begin.

Now you’ll argue that God prohibits communicating with the dead.
True. But you forget your scripture.

Mat 22:32 `I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not God of the dead, but of the living."

Those Saints in heaven are alive, not dead, I would argue that they’re more alive than we are.

Now do the prayers of those in heaven do anything? Let’s look at John’s Apocalypse:

Rev 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne;10 they cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before thou wilt judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell upon the earth?”

Also…
Rev 8:3-4 "And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God.

So here we see Saints in not just alive, not only standing as silent witnesses, but giving testimony and praying for justice to Almighty God.

Read also (1 Kings 2:13, 19-20) Then Adoni’jah the son of Haggith came to Bathshe’ba the mother of Solomon. And she said, “Do you come peaceably?” He said, “Peaceably.” **So Bathshe’ba went to King Solomon, to speak to him on behalf of Adoni’jah. And the king rose to meet her, and bowed down to her; then he sat on his throne, and had a seat brought for the king’s mother; and she sat on his right. ** Then she said, “I have one small request to make of you; do not refuse me.” And the king said to her, **“Make your request, my mother; for I will not refuse you.” **

Now if we agree that in biblical theology God gave us the Old Covenent so that when He established the New we, with His grace, would recognize it; we see here the mother of the King interceding to the King on behalf of his subjects. The passage speaks volumes about court protocol in ancient Israel.

The mother-Bathsheba- enters the chamber and the King not only rises but bows to her. And then he orders that a seat be placed at his right-the place of honor. All other subjects would bow to him, so it’s obvious that Bathsheba holds a singular position.

In being “like other nations” Israel’s kings had multiple wives. So the dilemma was who do you honor as the queen? The answer was simple, the queen was the mother of the king.

Don’t think so?

1 Kings 15:13 He also removed Ma’acah his mother from being **queen mother **because she had an abominable image made for Ashe’rah; and Asa cut down her image and burned it at the brook Kidron.

2 Kings 10:13 Jehu met the kinsmen of Ahazi’ah king of Judah, and he said, “Who are you?” And they answered, “We are the kinsmen of Ahazi’ah, and we came down to visit the royal princes and the sons of the queen mother.”

Jer 29:2 This was after King Jeconi’ah, and the queen mother, the eunuchs, the princes of Judah and Jerusalem, the craftsmen, and the smiths had departed from Jerusalem.

Throughout the books of 1st and 2nd Kings, every king that is named is followed by the name of that king’s mother. One who is truly familiar with Israel would know that that is no literary mistake.

But none of these came close to the true Queen Mother, the one who sits at her Son’s right hand and who intercedes on behalf of her other children, the brothers and sisters of her Son, the King of Kings. The one who is His spouse, His mother, and the Church personified. Her name is Mary.

I love you Mom.
 
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