Low sperm count

[Pug]

Viki59:

Sorry to be off topic, but I have to reply to this. It is erroneous, unless you insist on adopting a newborn.

Can one adopt a child who is a little older but not special needs, and do you have a website that has the requirements to be allowed to adopt a child. I suspect no one would let us adopt (unless we lied, which I won’t do). Can I check somewhere without having to tell it all to a person, etc? Just how much do the cheaper adoptions cost? I am not really into the idea of paying to have a child.

 

[Palamite]

NFPFamily,

The standard means for obtaining a sperm sample is through masturbation, which is of course, morally wrong. There is however a morally tolerant way of getting a sperm sample, such as poking holes into a condom and using what is contained to have analyzed. This would be done within the marriage act and would be left “open to life” so it is permissible.

You’re kidding? I’d really be interested in seeing something “authoritative” on this.

 

[NFPfamily]

Palamite:

NFPFamily,

You’re kidding? I’d really be interested in seeing something “authoritative” on this.

I’m not kidding. If you’re interested, it’s not difficult to find Church approved infertility guidelines. Simply do a search on this forum (many posts about it here) or look to Catholic infertility resources, such as Pope Paul VI Institute. I’ve come across information this because I teach NFP.

I’m not sure if you are mocking the idea or truly interested, so I’m not really going to spend lots of time digging up resources, but if you just want proof, that’s easy to find on your own.

It’s because the act is open to the the transmission of life, with sperm being able to pass through, yet some stays behind and this is still done within the context of the marital act. It is the only approved method of collecting a sample that I am aware of.

 

[otm]

Scott_Lafrance:

And what about a woman who has a historectomy as the only viable recourse to treat fibroid tumors, or worse, cancer. Is this act illicit, because it will effectively render her sterile?

No the intent is not to render her sterile; it is to remove the fibroid tumors. The act is not illicit.

 

[NFPfamily]

Palamite:

NFPFamily,

You’re kidding? I’d really be interested in seeing something “authoritative” on this.

Actually, I didn’t have to browse too far. Post #50 in this thread gives a good link.

After revisiting some of these old posts, most of what is said anwers your question- maybe try taking more time to read this thread. There is some good info here, including contact info for the Pope Paul VI Institute.

 

[CuriousInIL]

Just my 2 cents here, and it probably isn’t even worth that much, but I do not see how giving a sperm sample ‘manually’ is masturbation.

2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. “Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action.”[137] “The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose.” For here **sexual pleasure is sought **outside of “the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved.”

As many men who have done this for sperm counts can attest, it very seldom, if ever, has a sexual pleasure component. It is not for pleasure but for a medical test. So, I do not see how it fits the CCC definition of masturbation.

Having expressed my difficulty in understanding the condemnation of this as masturbation, I am not in any way advocating for this. Simply seeking comentary that may help me or others on this point.

 

[NFPfamily]

CuriousInIL:

Just my 2 cents here, and it probably isn’t even worth that much, but I do not see how giving a sperm sample ‘manually’ is masturbation.

As many men who have done this for sperm counts can attest, it very seldom, if ever, has a sexual pleasure component. It is not for pleasure but for a medical test. So, I do not see how it fits the CCC definition of masturbation.

Having expressed my difficulty in understanding the condemnation of this as masturbation, I am not in any way advocating for this. Simply seeking comentary that may help me or others on this point.

Who said it was wrong because it’s masturbation? The point is that it’s not contained within the marital act and not open to conceiving a human life at the emission.

If you are referring to someone quoting my original post on this thread, at that time, we were not talking about the manual emission- it was talking about methods of obtaining a sperm sample in general- you’ll have to see that in the beginning of the thread. That post was just brought up again- not related to the “manual emission.”

 

[notreallysure]

Is this true? Seems the folks at the begining of this thread all thought or assumed it was masturbation.

 

[rosebudfantasy]

NFPfamily:

The standard means for obtaining a sperm sample is through masturbation, which is of course, morally wrong. There is however a morally tolerant way of getting a sperm sample, such as poking holes into a condom and using what is contained to have analyzed. This would be done within the marriage act and would be left “open to life” so it is permissible.

I have addressed this to my doctors office. I suggested using a nonlubricated silicone condom and they refused this method, saying they can not get a reliable count this way. I asked them if there is any other way and they said I needed to talk with my doctor. It just seems very hard to get around the “normal” means of getting a sperm analysis. My appt. isn’t for over a month… I am beginning to wonder if I go ahead and drop off the sperm count to the hospital lab with the container they gave me filled with the nonlubed holey condom, or if I wait to talk to the doctor.

 

[St.Sharky]

Catholic2003:

So a married couple can use perforated condoms if they so choose, without having a medical reason?

But, in line with Catholic teachings here, dont condoms have tiny holes in them anyway that render them usless to their original purpose?

I’ve heard many times that this is the official Catholic teaching.

PS, seems like a lot of trouble to go to, i’d just do it the normal medical way and try not to enjoy it too much

 

[Granny_D]

This is in response to SURF(name removed by moderator)URE… I had placenta previa with my second child… and required a c-section in order to save my son’s life. When I became pregnant again… I went back to Scotland to my friend Prof. Ian Donald…who invented the ULTRASOUND MACHINE…along with the HEART/LUNG MACHINE…and many other life saving technologies…(they have a Monument to him in Edinburgh) He had written me that I should come back home and let him take care of me and my unborn child (he was Chair of Anglicans for Life) He said that ANY OB/GYN worth his salt…would be able to MONITOR a woman who had had a c-section… while allowing her to deliver vaginally… and if a problem were to arise… such as the possibility of rupture of the uterus…then the OB/GYN could easily c-section her before that happened… He said the reason they just DID A C-SECTION …always a C-SECTION routinely was that they were afraid of LITIGATION… So I went home…and he delivered my beautiful daughter, vaginally…even after the old fashioned c-section…belly button downwards… When I got pregnant again… The Navy Doctor told me that NO DOCTOR WOULD ALLOW ME TO DELIVER VAGINALLY… so I found a Civilian Doctor who said he would allow me to try…and I delivered another baby… safely…and vaginally… When I got pregnant again… The Navy told me the same thing…so I went back to the same doctor and had another baby safely and vaginally… Then when I went home to Scotland …for number six…they wanted to sterilize me…saying they couldn’t afford to have people like me… and that I should check out how much pollution ONE PERSON can make… and it is such a simple surgery… when I still refused to be sterilized… the Green Lady…who was listening at the door told me that when I came in for delivery… they would put the monitor on me…and then declare…FETAL DISTRESS and order a c-section and when they were in there…they would tie my tubes and I would never know about it… I just would never get pregnant again…so I went to a HOME FOR UNWED PREGNANT MOTHERS…run by Franciscan Nuns…and delivered there…vaginally and safely…with tubes intact… I could go on and on…but I just would pray…and check with good Catholic Prolife Doctors… and add my testimony to your discernment.

Yours for “LIFE” Granny D.