Luke 18:19 No one is good but God alone

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Could Frank4YAHWEH inform us if he is a Jehovah Witness?
. A. Something is amiss on this forum. Is Frank4Yahweh a Mason? Is he the Administrator? My crucial last two posts proving him wrong were not published. I have the right to know if this forum is masquerading for “Catholic.” Can you ask your Bishop to publically clarify, on this forum, to which Catholic diocese do you belong? I want to share my thoughts with the world, yes, for the glory of Christ and His Kingdom. I want to help the Masons and the Jews, all religions! But I refuse my thoughts to be highjacked and led into some sinister trap where “I can have no effect”!
 
. A. Something is amiss on this forum. Is Frank4Yahweh a Mason? Is he the Administrator? My crucial last two posts proving him wrong were not published. I have the right to know if this forum is masquerading for “Catholic.” Can you ask your Bishop to publically clarify, on this forum, to which Catholic diocese do you belong? I want to share my thoughts with the world, yes, for the glory of Christ and His Kingdom. I want to help the Masons and the Jews, all religions! But I refuse my thoughts to be highjacked and led into some sinister trap where “I can have no effect”!
No, I am not a Jehovah’s Witness or a Mason. I consider myself a praiser of Yahweh (Yahdah or Yahudah). I am not actually affiliated with any particular religious denomination, although there are many who believe as I do that Yahshua is not his (and our) Father Yahweh and that he did not pre-exist his birth and was not a co-creator with Father Yahweh in the beginning. I believe that it was Father Yahweh “ALONE” Who created the heavens and the earth and all things in them. The Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Masons believe Yahshua pre-existed his birth and was a “God”.
 
Dear Posters,

We seem to have got off track with the original argument. My understanding is that this thread was started because someone wanted to determine what Jesus meant. There are lots of early replies that give a comprehensive answer.

We now seem to be mired in arguments about whether Jesus is God. Well, that’s a fundamental teaching of the Catholic Church, proclaimed throughout the centuries, and er, this is a Catholic forum.

So I’m sorry, fundamental doctrines aren’t actually up for negotiation: we can look to understand them more clearly, but not change them. This argument therefore is pointless. 🤷
I will start another thread titled “Jesus IS God!”?

Click on the hyperlinked text above to go to the thread.
 
As reported God is One in the OT. In Hebrew there are several words for one unlike our English language. There is a word for a plural one and a word for Hebrew word for one is not singular. Thus God is (plural) one. this ruins the argument by the JW’s who know nothing except what they are told to know by men. also for you Frank. I studied under Messianic Jews. In the Hebrew culture my friend the Son of God is equivalent with God.

Also please show me where Jesus asks for forgiveness. Maybe you’ll get it some day. God doesn’t sin. They who deny the deity of Christ are in the spirit of antichrist.
 
As reported God is One in the OT. In Hebrew there are several words for one unlike our English language. There is a word for a plural one and a word for Hebrew word for one is not singular. Thus God is (plural) one. this ruins the argument by the JW’s who know nothing except what they are told to know by men. also for you Frank. I studied under Messianic Jews. In the Hebrew culture my friend the Son of God is equivalent with God.

Also please show me where Jesus asks for forgiveness. Maybe you’ll get it some day. God doesn’t sin. They who deny the deity of Christ are in the spirit of antichrist.
Nowhere in Scipture does it teach “They who deny the deity of Christ are in the spirit of antichrist.”.

Nowhere in Scripture does it teach “The Son of God is equivalent with God.”

Elohim - Singular Or Plural?

To Believe “Jesus IS God!” Is To Be Deceived!

Did Yahshua Create?
 
Come on Frank4YAHWEH. If the bible says if you deny Christ coming in the flesh is the spirit of antichrist, then denying his deity is the spirit antichrist. Let’s use a little common sense. Have you ever talked to a Messianic Jew about the Son of God being equal to God? Why don’t you just tell us you’re a Jehovah Witness. You still didn’t tell me where Christ asked his sins to be forgiven.
 
Last night I was reading Luke and this verse got me to thinking and I can’t come up with anything.
Luke 18:19 "Jesus answered him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”
Since Jesus is God why would He say this? Any answers out there would be greatly appreciated.
Someone might have said it but could Jesus have been speaking from our human perspective? Indeed He is God/Man, good and perfect in everyway, but He could not straight out reveal it to the people because they were not ready to accept it and could condemn Him for blesphemy and therefore would cut short His redemptive mission since it wasn’t His time yet. In addition, since he has identify himself with our humanity He was directing them to God as the only Good and it is He who they should place their trust and not rely on humans (full of frailties and weakness). :o
 
Frank4YAHWEH

I want to ask you a big question, since we are on the topic of the Divinity of Christ.
Do you believe Jesus died an rose again and took the punisment for your sins?
 
Jesus is God! Jesus was questioning his interlocutor, whether he acknowledged that He is God. Jesus did it because he knew that the interlocutor did not think so. Simultaneously, Jesus wanted to clearly establish that “only God is Good.” This He dimmed important because He knew that humans cannot recognize God lest they know what the fullness of goodness is. From the biblical passage it appears that the interlocutor of Jesus was very close to knowing what goodness is, and very close to recognizing it in Jesus. But he apparently wasn’t able to grasp that God and Jesus were of the same substance, though not the same Persons. It appears that Jesus, being the Teacher par excellence, was trying to help his interlocutor to make the right mental correlations.
 
Matthew 11:11 “Amen I say to you, there hath not risen among them that are born of women a greater than John the Baptist: yet he that is the lesser in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.”

The reason that Jesus stated that John is greater is because John was sanctified by the Holy Spirit in Elizabeth’s womb.

Luke 1:15 “For he shall be great before the Lord; and shall drink no wine nor strong drink: and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb.”

However, He is speaking of John in his earthly life. The earlier a person is sanctified, the better opportunity for his greater sanctification while present on earth. All persons who inherit eternal life will be greater that John was while he was on earth since they shall see God face to face in heaven. This does not mean that they will be greater than John once John is in heaven and sees God face to face. Now that John is in heaven, I would bet that John is greater than most persons in heaven!

Of course, Jesus was not comparing Himself with John’s greatness either since He is both God and Man.
 
Posted by Moira. Why would Jesus not be speaking literally? Saint Paul wrote in Romans 2:4b “not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?”. For he goes on to say in verse 10 that none are righteous (just), no not one. And verse 12b “there is none that doeth good, no, not one”, (there is not one who does good, there is not even one NAB). Paul goes on to say in verse 23 “for all have sin and come short of the glory of God” and has already told us the reason why the Law was given in verse 19b:" that every mouth may be stopped and all the world may become guilty before God" and v.20b “for by the Law is the knowledge of sin”. I think the apostle is in full agreement with Jesus in Luke 18:19, man is not good though he thinks he is, not that he is incapable of doing good but that he judges his actions good untill he is confronted with the Law (10 commandments) that shows him how sinful he is and shuts the mouth of self justification ('that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world stand accountable to God, NAB). My understanding is that only God is good and it is His very Goodness that leads to repentance and if we think we are good check the mirror that the Law is and gauge the reflection that it gives back. It silences those who justify themselves. Tito
 
Posted by Moira. Why would Jesus not be speaking literally? Saint Paul wrote in Romans 2:4b “not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?”. For he goes on to say in verse 10 that none are righteous (just), no not one. And verse 12b “there is none that doeth good, no, not one”, (there is not one who does good, there is not even one NAB). Paul goes on to say in verse 23 “for all have sin and come short of the glory of God” and has already told us the reason why the Law was given in verse 19b:" that every mouth may be stopped and all the world may become guilty before God" and v.20b “for by the Law is the knowledge of sin”. I think the apostle is in full agreement with Jesus in Luke 18:19, man is not good though he thinks he is, not that he is incapable of doing good but that he judges his actions good untill he is confronted with the Law (10 commandments) that shows him how sinful he is and shuts the mouth of self justification ('that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world stand accountable to God, NAB). My understanding is that only God is good and it is His very Goodness that leads to repentance and if we think we are good check the mirror that the Law is and gauge the reflection that it gives back. It silences those who justify themselves. Tito
Paul is quoting the Psalms in Romans 3. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God due to original sin. This is what he means. Noah was righteous. Abraham was righteous. John the Baptist was righteous. Judas Iscariot was not righteous due to his own personal sin. We are all “under sin” due to Adam’s sin. (Romans 5)
 
My posting started in Romans 2 but continued in Romans 3 but I did not note that. I was addresing 3: 10, 12b and 23 and then returned to 19b and 20b (the purpose Paul says why the Law was given). Noah, says Hebrews 11:7c “became heir of the righteousness that is by faith”. Abraham (Abram) in Genesis 12 believed and obeyed God and in Gen 15:6 " And he believed in the Lord and he counted it to him for righteousness". In both cases, Noah and Abraham had their faith credited for righteousness. Of John the Baptist the Scriptures say in Luke 1:80 “and the child grew and waxed strong in spirit,and was in the dessert till the day of his showing unto Israel” and Matthew’s account of Jesus coming to John for water baptism: “but John forbade him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?” (Matt 3;14). They all had original sin and personal sins, not born righteous. Romans tell us in 3:9 that both Jews and Gentiles are all under sin. Romans 5 is a good example as you pointed out: 5:1 “therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ”. As Abraham was justified by his faith so are we. The sin of Adam was certainly imputed to the human race and therefore death visited mankind, but 5:12 says that all had sinned (not sin, singular). The evil in mankind was evident from the beginning (Genesis 6:5) because we are all born with a fallen or sinful nature; Paul calls those unspiritual people unable to receive the things of the Spirit the ‘natural man’, this is not just from the original sin issue.(1Cor 2:14). Only Jesus knew not sin (2Cor 5:21). Evidence from experience shows that for as many people in all denominations who are baptized and cleansed of original and all sin, if they are made righteous, why is it that so few show evidence of a God-directed life? Why if they had no sinful nature, and having the Holy Spirit in them (1Cor 6 :19,20), why do they fall into sin and live in it most of the time? Jesus said that if a child asks his father for a fish, he will not give the child a stone, therefore our heavenly Father will do much more when we ask Him. Jesus also said ‘be holy for I am Holy’ and ‘be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect’. Man can do good but I understand Jesus by these words to say, man is not good e n o u g h. Luke 18:26,27 “who then can be saved? The things that are impossible with men are posible with God”. We all are in need of a Savior for we are not good enough otherwise to save ourselves or stay pure to the end because of our sinful nature. Tito
 
Noah, says Hebrews 11:7c “became heir of the righteousness that is by faith”. Abraham (Abram) in Genesis 12 believed and obeyed God and in Gen 15:6 " And he believed in the Lord and he counted it to him for righteousness". In both cases, Noah and Abraham had their faith credited for righteousness.
True, and in both cases, Noah and Abraham “obeyed” after “believing.” God gives us righteousness by grace through faith. We maintain (remain in, continue to stand in) this grace through obedience. This is why James states “You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only (alone).” James 2:24

The Law was given because they made a golden calf and worshiped it. It was punishment for their transgression. The Law entered so that their sins would multiply (due to their continued disobedience) in order to later show the abundant mercy of God through Jesus Christ in His power to atone for all sins, both original sin and personal sins, and defeat death and open the gates of heaven.

Romans 5:19-21 “For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, 21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

James 2:21-26 “Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”
Of John the Baptist the Scriptures say in Luke 1:80 “and the child grew and waxed strong in spirit,and was in the dessert till the day of his showing unto Israel” and Matthew’s account of Jesus coming to John for water baptism: “but John forbade him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?” (Matt 3;14). They all had original sin and personal sins, not born righteous. Romans tell us in 3:9 that both Jews and Gentiles are all under sin. Romans 5 is a good example as you pointed out: 5:1 “therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ”. As Abraham was justified by his faith so are we. The sin of Adam was certainly imputed to the human race and therefore death visited mankind, but 5:12 says that all had sinned (not sin, singular). The evil in mankind was evident from the beginning (Genesis 6:5) because we are all born with a fallen or sinful nature; Paul calls those unspiritual people unable to receive the things of the Spirit the ‘natural man’, this is not just from the original sin issue.(1Cor 2:14).
“All had sinned” because they all were born with original sin. This states nothing about personal sins. John was indicating that since he was inferior to Jesus, Jesus should baptize him instead of John baptizing Jesus.

“Sin” or “sinned;” really makes no difference whether we say the “sin of mankind” or “mankind sinned.” “Sin” is a condition that we are born with even though we have not yet committed any personal “sins.”

Men were evil through their own selfish free will choices. Their perception was according to the flesh (without God’s grace) rather than spiritually discerned (with God’s grace).

Romans 5:14 “Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.”

Death reigned over all men because of Adam’s sin, even if they were righteous and loved God. They could not enter heaven until Jesus defeated death and opened the gates of heaven for them.
Only Jesus knew not sin (2Cor 5:21). Evidence from experience shows that for as many people in all denominations who are baptized and cleansed of original and all sin, if they are made righteous, why is it that so few show evidence of a God-directed life? Why if they had no sinful nature, and having the Holy Spirit in them (1Cor 6 :19,20), why do they fall into sin and live in it most of the time?
Jesus was born without original sin. John the Baptist was sanctified before birth in his mother’s womb.

God did not limit our “free will” when we became justified through baptism. Until we die, we can either obey Him or reject Him.
Jesus said that if a child asks his father for a fish, he will not give the child a stone, therefore our heavenly Father will do much more when we ask Him. Jesus also said ‘be holy for I am Holy’ and ‘be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect’. Man can do good but I understand Jesus by these words to say, man is not good e n o u g h. Luke 18:26,27 “who then can be saved? The things that are impossible with men are possible with God”. We all are in need of a Savior for we are not good enough otherwise to save ourselves or stay pure to the end because of our sinful nature. Tito
Man cannot do any good at all without the grace of God. Man cannot save himself. Only Jesus saves. However, God supplies grace liberally to those persons who desire to cooperate with His grace. We all have free will to reject His grace and do sinful deeds after we are baptized.

It would be helpful if you could put your posts into several “shorter” paragraphs rather than one “long” one. 🙂
 
I think Greg has nailed that pretty well.

There’s the other end of the verse, though. That no one is good except God.

I suppose in the purely logical sense it is true, because only God is God. And, since no one else is God, then no one can be good.

Except for Mary, then “we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.” It’s an interesting to think about how alien SIN is from God.
You do realized that you are contradicting yourself. Mary was a sinner just like any of us. To say otherwise would be to put her in the place of Jesus Christ.

This is just one of many heresies the catholic cult continues to permeate.

Another example is the misinterpretation that Peter is the foundation of the church. Why on earth or heaven would God designate a man he calls Satan at one point to be the “solid rock” on which we stand?
 
This is just one of many heresies the catholic cult continues to permeate.
Genesis 3:15 (NRSV)

I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will strike your head,
and you will strike his heel.’

The Woman AND her Seed are at the same enmity with the devil. Enmity (hatred or total opposition) of the devil is freedom from sin. Boom. Immaculate Conception proved from Scripture.
Another example is the misinterpretation that Peter is the foundation of the church. Why on earth or heaven would God designate a man he calls Satan at one point to be the “solid rock” on which we stand?
Moses sinned. Was he therefore not a prophet?

Whether a man sins (we all do) has nothing to do with authority.
 
You do realized that you are contradicting yourself. Mary was a sinner just like any of us. To say otherwise would be to put her in the place of Jesus Christ.
So your religion teaches that Adam and Eve were equal to God before they fell?

Is that what your religion teaches as the definition of being sinless?

Sorry, if that’s what you belief, you’re the one in the heretical cult.
 
This is slightly off the exact topic but it does bring me in mind of this verse (Luke 18.19) any time some one greets me and asks me how I am.

Nearly all of the very older generation if you ask them how they are, they will tell you they are ‘well’ (not ‘good’ because they are in knowledge of this verse in the Bible).

I recently said ‘good morning’ to a sprightly old widow. She asked me how I was.

I said, ‘Good, thank you’.

She said, ‘But you aren’t good, my dear’. Then she laughed. She had been a minister’s wife.

So now when people ask me I make sure I say, ‘I am well, thank you’.
 
=moira;195563]Last night I was reading Luke and this verse got me to thinking and I can’t come up with anything.
Luke 18:19 "Jesus answered him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”
Since Jesus is God why would He say this? Any answers out there would be greatly appreciated.
Excellent question.

Keep in mind that Christ has full posession of BOTH a Human nature and a Diivine Nature.

The point He is making here [Himself excepted as is Mary] is that all men are sinners.

Take note of the previous verse. He is called “TEACHER” a term of respect BUT NOT an acknowledgement that He is the Son of God.

1John.1 Verses 8 to 10: “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
 
Just to add support to PJM’s post;

“You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

Jesus, in this statement implies that perfection is found in Him. If the rich young man wishes to be perfect in this life he must detach from the world and follow Him.

This is the call to religious life.
 
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