Luke 22:18

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“For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.” Luke 22:18

What does this scripture mean? Does the kingdom come when He takes the vinegar on the Cross.

Can you help?

The Navarre, Ignatius Study and Orchard doesn’t assist.

God Bless,

Hal.
 
I think you may find this to be very enlightening.

catholic.com/thisrock/1991/9109fea1.asp
“The Hunt for the Fourth Cup” -by Scott Hahn

I gave this to a Presbyterian Minister friend of mine who initially rolled his eyes at me but took it to read. The next week he was very excited about the implications of what it contained.

Please take the time to read this article.
 
I’ve wondered what it means too. Christ said these words during the Last Supper, which is when the Eucharist was instituted.

Given that in verses 15-16 it says:

And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.”

What has been on my mind is whether Jesus himself received his own body and blood, along with his disciples.
 
Many thanks. In fact it was the Scott Hahn article that prompted the question. It was fascinating and perhaps I missed something. If Christ needs to take the fourth cup, which I believe is the vinegar on the cross, how does that tie in with his statement in Luke 22:18 that he will not drink wine again until he does so in the kingdom of God? I am assuming that the kingdom comes at some point in time when he is on the cross. Hence he takes the vinegar and completes the seder. However, I cannot find any commentary that confirms this - not even Scott Hahns Ignatious Catholic Study Bible (NT).

Anything further from anyone to clarify?

Kindest Regards,

Richard.
 
“For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.” Luke 22:18

What does this scripture mean? Does the kingdom come when He takes the vinegar on the Cross.

Can you help?

The Navarre, Ignatius Study and Orchard doesn’t assist.

God Bless,

Hal.
Maybe I’m too naive but it seems pretty obvious to me “fruit of the wine” means wine, not vinegar. No group of people would sit together drinking vinegar (even if that is made from sour leftover wine).
 
“For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.” Luke 22:18

What does this scripture mean? Does the kingdom come when He takes the vinegar on the Cross.

Can you help?

The Navarre, Ignatius Study and Orchard doesn’t assist.

God Bless,

Hal.
Hal, I think you are correct.

Both Matthew 27 and Mark 15 both have Jesus being offered wine before he is crucified, and he refuses to take it. John states that Jesus did take the wine but tells us that it was only after he was crucified, right before the moment of his death.

After this, aware that everything was now finished, in order that the scripture might be fulfilled, Jesus said, “I thirst.” There was a vessel filled with common wine. So they put a sponge soaked in wine on a sprig of hyssop and put it up to his mouth. When Jesus had taken the wine, he said, “It is finished.” And bowing his head, he handed over the spirit. (John 19:28-30)

John says that Jesus was “Aware that everything was finished”, that his mission had been acomplished, and so he drank the wine. Mark and Matthew however, state that Jesus had not yet been crucified, and so his mission had not been acomplished, and Jesus did not take the wine. In liight of Luke 22, I think the answer to your question is yes, it was an indication that the kingdom of God, Christ’s Church, had come to man on Earth.

This is one of the reasons why the Catholic Church teaches that the blood and water, signifying the Eucharist and Baptism, flowing from the side of Christ, was the sacramental birth of the Church. The physical birth of the visible Church was at Pentacost, but the Church as the Body of Christ was created as Christ’s body (the Church) hung on the cross dispensing blood (the Eucharist) and water (baptistm) upon the earth. God’s kingdom had been established and now the Church, as the body of Christ and God’s kingdom, was to continue Christ’s mission.

I think you are spot on Hal.

-Tim-
 
Maybe I’m too naive but it seems pretty obvious to me “fruit of the wine” means wine, not vinegar. No group of people would sit together drinking vinegar (even if that is made from sour leftover wine).
Yes. This was initially my thought too. However, I think that at this point it is more to do with symbolism, than aesthetics. I would imagine that - despite strict control standards - the communion wine tasted different in different parts of the world or at different times. It is not drunk because of it’s flavor, part rather it’s symbolism and of course what it actually becomes once consecrated. I am suggesting no other connection here, just using it as an example.

God bless,

Hal.
 
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