Luke 24:44 and "Psalms"

[thecone137]

Luk 24:44 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”

Which books of the Old Testament is Christ referring to when he says “Psalms” or is it ambiguous?

 

[bogeydogg]

The Law, prophets and psalms is the order of the Hebrew Bible. He is saying that all of the Old Testament is His word. Further He is saying that the OT, in its totality, is about Him.

God Bless

 

[Aelred_Minor]

I always assumed it just meant the collection we still call the psalms. I guess it’s possible it includes other books like the Song of Solomon. I’d be interested if anyone knew how first century Aramaic speakers used the word we translate as “psalms.”

 

[thecone137]

Since we all know “Moses” means the books of the Torah and “Prophets” means the books of the Prophets, it would seem logical that Psalms meant more than just the book of Psalms. Many Protestant scholars look to this as persuasive evidence that Jesus is referrring to the Hagiographa, which would mean their 66 book OT is right and not the 73 book OT we have. If anyone has more information to provide, that would be much appreciated.

 

[God_is_Good_1]

There are a large number of passages in the Old Testament Psalms – songs and poems that would have been as familiar to the Jewish people of Jesus’ day as our Catholic prayers are to us – that refer to Messiah (Christ):

Psalm 2 (See Acts 13:32-33)
Psalm 16
Psalm 22-The Crucified Messiah
Psalm 23-The Resurrected Messiah
Psalm 24
Psalm 34
Psalm 68
Psalm 69
Psalm 72
Psalm 91
Psalm 110

The book of Proverbs and the Song of Songs (Song of Solomon) are also replete with Messianic (Christ-ian) images that foreshadow Jesus’ life and ministry.

Indeed, the Old Testament from Genesis through Malachi is full of evidence that points to Christ. So whether one uses “Psalms” at face value or combines the word into meaning “Other Writings,” makes little difference! Jesus’ reference can just as easily refer to all the OT with its major sections of the Hebrew Scriptures known as Tanakh: Law (Torah), Prophets (Nev’im), and Writings/Psalms (Ketuvim).

 

[thecone137]

There are a large number of passages in the Old Testament Psalms – songs and poems that would have been as familiar to the Jewish people of Jesus’ day as our Catholic prayers are to us – that refer to Messiah (Christ):

Psalm 2 (See Acts 13:32-33)
Psalm 16
Psalm 22-The Crucified Messiah
Psalm 23-The Resurrected Messiah
Psalm 24
Psalm 34
Psalm 68
Psalm 69
Psalm 72
Psalm 91
Psalm 110

The book of Proverbs and the Song of Songs (Song of Solomon) are also replete with Messianic (Christ-ian) images that foreshadow Jesus’ life and ministry.

Indeed, the Old Testament from Genesis through Malachi is full of evidence that points to Christ. So whether one uses “Psalms” at face value or combines the word into meaning “Other Writings,” makes little difference! Jesus’ reference can just as easily refer to all the OT with its major sections of the Hebrew Scriptures known as Tanakh: Law (Torah), Prophets (Nev’im), and Writings/Psalms (Ketuvim).

I guess what I mean is to say is IF he was referring to “Other Writings”, is there any evidence to provide clues as to which writings they would have been at that point in history. I’m trying to build a case for the deuterocanonicals and this verse is often debated.

 

[bogeydogg]

I guess what I mean is to say is IF he was referring to “Other Writings”, is there any evidence to provide clues as to which writings they would have been at that point in history. I’m trying to build a case for the deuterocanonicals and this verse is often debated.

Well seeing as how the most commonly quoted OT version by the Apostolic writers is the LXX, and seeing as how Maccabees is mentioned in Hebrews and Christ quotes Tobit I think it is safe to say the deuteros would be included in the canon of OT as Christ saw it.

Of course there are those who will say, “Well He never directly quoted from book such and such…” but Christ did not not quote from all the minor prophets either, or the book of Ruth, Ester, Nehemiah, or Ezra or even for that matter directly from Samuel, Kings or Chronicles but only indirectly referenced them, but the 66’ers don’t throw those books out do they?

God Bless

 

[God_is_Good_1]

I guess what I mean is to say is IF he was referring to “Other Writings”, is there any evidence to provide clues as to which writings they would have been at that point in history. I’m trying to build a case for the deuterocanonicals and this verse is often debated.

bogeydogg:

Well seeing as how the most commonly quoted OT version by the Apostolic writers is the LXX, and seeing as how Maccabees is mentioned in Hebrews and Christ quotes Tobit I think it is safe to say the deuteros would be included in the canon of OT as Christ saw it.

I find it rather difficult to ignore the deuteros as there is a lot of goodness to be found in them. Christ and his disciples celebrated Hannukah (so were at the very least familiar with the story of the Maccabees). There is also evidence to suggest that Paul’s discussion of spiritual armor in Ephesians is based on verses found in Wisdom.

Even if one (such as the bulk of Protestants) might not fully agree with the notion that these writings are sacred scripture, the use of these texts by our Lord, St. Paul, and the early Church Fathers suggest at the very least their influence cannot be ignored.

 

[Crumpy]

Luk 24:44 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”

Which books of the Old Testament is Christ referring to when he says “Psalms” or is it ambiguous?

Scripture uses a type of idiom or special use of words to mean ‘everything.’

Like in Genesis, when it says that God created the heavens and the earth, that is an idiom to mean everything.

The modern term for the Jewish Bible (Old Testament) is TANAKH, which is a word made up of the first letters of the Hebrew words for the law, the prophets, and the writings.

So, I would take Jesus’ words to refer to all of the scriptures.