Lust is NOT the worst sin

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Just an interesting fact:

Lust is NOT the worst of the seven deadly sins. In fact, it is the LEAST grave. PRIDE is the worst of the 7 deadly sins. That includes judging others and looking down our noses at people for having committed sins we haven’t.

…Definitely something to keep in mind around here. 😉
 
Here’s the order, from least severe, to most severe:

Lust
Gluttony
Greed
Sloth
Wrath
Envy
Pride

Pretty interesting I’d say.
 
Hi

I’m new here and my first real post. Lust almost becomes a must for a lot of people and is one that turns us like any sin away from God and in a lot of situations men away from their wives and also wives away from husbands. It may be ranked lower but cannot be viewed any less in fact giving into Lust like many sins can sadly lead to others.

Blessings
 
I agree with your assessment of pride, but where did you get your ranking?
 
I think it’s pointless to try and determine which deadly sins are “more deadlier” than the others. Sort of like arguing how many angels can fit on the head of a pin. 😃

But anyway, I’m curious too at how the above list was arrived at.
 
Hello Again

This one has caught my attention, we run the risk in our society of turning away from God and the laws he taught in morality.

No actual sins are serious to differing degrees. The church recognizes two principal degrees of seriousness or gravity of sin ie mortal and venial (ccc 1854-1864)

Blessings
 
Hello Again

This one has caught my attention, we run the risk in our society of turning away from God and the laws he taught in morality.

No actual sins are serious to differing degrees. The church recognizes two principal degrees of seriousness or gravity of sin ie mortal and venial (ccc 1854-1864)

Blessings
Thanks for the clarification, I figured that was the case! 👍
 
Just an interesting fact:

Lust is NOT the worst of the seven deadly sins. In fact, it is the LEAST grave. PRIDE is the worst of the 7 deadly sins. That includes judging others and looking down our noses at people for having committed sins we haven’t.

…Definitely something to keep in mind around here. 😉
That’s like saying a rifle is not the deadliest weapon in a battle. Nuclear bombs are, followed by conventional bombs, grenades, machine guns, then rifles.

How silly. Any one of them can kill you just as dead as any other. Dead is dead, whether we’re speaking physically or spiritually. Right? :)\

Also, keep in mind that Our Lady said that more souls in our time go to hell for sins of the flesh than for any other sin.

Do you think it’s any consolation to those in hell that they didn’t commit the “worst” sin? LOL I can see it now… “Well, I’m burning and suffering here for all eternity, but I didn’t commit THAT sin!”

With regard to Pride, St. Thomas Aquinas, I think it was, said that Pride was at least part if not the most driving influence in every sin.
 
Disobediences (emotional, psychological, physical, mental) keep us from relationship with God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
 
Here’s the order, from least severe, to most severe:

Lust
Gluttony
Greed
Sloth
Wrath
Envy
Pride

Pretty interesting I’d say.
So… what does that mean exactly? Is a person who lusts after another and passes away in a state of mortal sin in a slightly cooler place in Hell? Is he/she closer to the presence of God than say someone who overeats or is lazy? How close is lust to the line as it relates to mortal sin vs. venial sin? Is it almost a venial sin?

Sounds to me as though it’s like saying someone “…is a little bit dead.” Just my opinion though. 😉
 
This is the second thread very recently about the seriousness of lust/sexual sins? Why can we not agree that these seven are ALL grave matter, and as such have the potential of being mortal sins? If you identify problems with any of these your soul is in peril.
 
Depends on what you mean by ‘worst’… things can be ‘worst’ in different ways… all sins of lust are mortal sins the usual conditions applying… how do the other seven deadly sins compare to this? The testimony from more than one place is that more souls go to Hell because of lust than any other sin…

Lust tends to be the sin people have the greatest difficulty with in general…

And some of the more depraved forms of lust do go to the worst level of offense against God directly too… gaining the special category of crying out to Heaven for vengeance…

‘Someone who lived practicing the vice of sodomy will suffer more pains in Hell than anyone else, because this is the worst sin that there is.’

St. Bernardine of Siena
 
Just an interesting fact:

Lust is NOT the worst of the seven deadly sins. In fact, it is the LEAST grave. PRIDE is the worst of the 7 deadly sins. That includes judging others and looking down our noses at people for having committed sins we haven’t.

…Definitely something to keep in mind around here. 😉
Let’s be careful not to pray, “I thank you Lord, for not making me like those Pharisees.” Lust is still a grave sin, no matter how much we would like it not to be.
 
Just an interesting fact:

Lust is NOT the worst of the seven deadly sins. In fact, it is the LEAST grave. PRIDE is the worst of the 7 deadly sins. That includes judging others and looking down our noses at people for having committed sins we haven’t.

…Definitely something to keep in mind around here. 😉
I would agree. Lust is not the worst of the 7 deadly sins. However, categorizing Pride as simply the worst of the 7 deadly sins is inaccurate. I listened to a lecture by Peter Kreeft on the 7 deadly sins and Pride was described as the core sin in all the 7 deadly sins. It is the root and then branches off into the other 6. I’ve only listened to the lecture once and I think its one of those audio lectures you have to pay to listen to and goes in an entire series.

Also the seven deadly sins are are not what the Catechism refers to as actual sins. They are the vices which motivate all actual sins and as such the actions involved in the expression of these sins can be either mortal or venial.

It is true that in Dante’s Inferno, those punished for lust are on the very outer rings of Hell, so argumentatively it could be considered the least of the 7 deadly sins. That said, the Church still teaches that all expressions of lust are gravely offensive, while not all expressions of pride are gravely offensive (because if they were, since pride is within every act of sin, there would be no such thing as a venial sin). But that said, pride is our primary problem, and it is the most difficult of the 7 vices to uproot for if you actually uproot it, you would lose all motivation to sin at all. So it is important to acknowledge that pride is the central of the 7 deadly sins.

If anyone knows any free online sources going into this, it would be a large help to clarify the issue. I’m going by knowledge that I didn’t get for free and that I currently do not have access to. I’ve only listened to the lecture once, so I also haven’t had the repetition.
 
I agree with the others that it is foolish and counterproductive to try and “rank” deadly sins. Deadly is Deadly is Deadly.

If one person commits suicide by pills and another by jumping off a cliff, the first will “look” better thatn the second but both will be just as dead…🤷

Pride is indeed considered the “worst” of the deadly sins, but that is because it is the one that pervades all the others. “Pride Goeth before…the fall” (Pr 16-18).

If Deb’s rankings have any merit to them I would say that perhaps it lies, not int the severity of the sins, but in the relative difficulty in overcoming them.
From this view, Lust, Gluttony, and Greed, which are largely “physical” in their manifestations maight be considered easier to get under control than things like "Pride, Envy and Anger which are largly “emotional” and “characterological” - Sloth sort of falls between the two catagories.

Now before everyone jumps weighs in on how the “physical” manifestations have “emotional” components, please know that I recognize this and what I have written is grossly simplified. I only offer it for consideration as a possible basis for the rankings that Deb has offered.

Peace
James
 
This is the second thread very recently about the seriousness of lust/sexual sins? Why can we not agree that these seven are ALL grave matter, and as such have the potential of being mortal sins? If you identify problems with any of these your soul is in peril.
Because the gravity of an actual sin (an act of sin as opposed to original sin or our vices and disposition to be attracted to sin), is not determined by whether or not our sin falls into the list of the 7 deadly sins. ALL sins fall into them. In fact, I find it highly more useful to examine my conscience by focusing on the 7 deadly sins and looking for ways I acted out of them than by going through the 10 commandments or those little “Did you do this?” In all honesty, if you go through the 7 deadly sins, you can see how some of the most innocent seeming acts were motivated by sin. No one would say look at what I did and say “Oh you sinned”, because those same actions may be motivated by virtue as well. As such, when I confess them, I confess that I expressed pride or gluttony or sloth in some particular way.

Unforunately those of us who actually are given these theological lists to memorize are very rarely given the tools to understand them, and thus we confuse the gravity of the sin with something we can find on a list. Perhaps its that we’ve been too heavily reliant on such lists rather than educating ourselves more deeply in understanding the nature of sin and that its simply not about “Here’s are the acts that are forbidden.”

Here’s the thing. To be in a state of mortal sin is to be in a state of pride. If a someone fornicates, engages in homosexual activities, contraceptives, misses Sunday Mass without a valid reason, rapes, murders, spits and tramples the Eucharist, etc and they do so fully acknowledging that their actions are gravely offensive and they do so deliberately, they do these actions out of pride. If they remain in that state of pride which prevents them from repenting, then they are in a constant state of refusing God’s mercy. This is considered the only one unforgiveable sin (blasphemy against the Holy Spirit) which is final unrepentence.

Unforunately though I would have to say that simply labeling pride as the gravest sin and saying “Look I’m totally accepting and loving of all these lesser sinners. Thank God I’m not prideful like you. I don’t look down on people.” is in effect prideful. We need to be patient with all and not get so focused on whose sin is worse than than another person’s sin. We simply need to acknowledge sin and repent of it and in love we need to encourage others to repent of their sins.
 
I think that I understand your point, that being, shame can be a difficult weapon to combat sin and merely shaming the sinner does not lighten their cross. Peace, g.
 
Here’s the order, from least severe, to most severe:

Lust
Gluttony
Greed
Sloth
Wrath
Envy
Pride

Pretty interesting I’d say.
I disagree, especially regarding Wrath since rage is actually quite morally neutral. As a matter of fact, I’ve driven home a lot of points into people through force of anger. The key is knowing when to use anger. Guess what though? It ain’t ‘never’.

Lust on the other hand has brought about sins of homosexual depravity, marital problems, unfaithful spouses/parents etc.
 
I disagree, especially regarding Wrath since rage is actually quite morally neutral. As a matter of fact, I’ve driven home a lot of points into people through force of anger. The key is knowing when to use anger. Guess what though? It ain’t ‘never’.

Lust on the other hand has brought about sins of homosexual depravity, marital problems, unfaithful spouses/parents etc.
There is a distinction between the emotion of anger and the sin of anger. It is one thing to be frustrated, annoyed, or upset. But sin of anger is to actually desire revenge. The latter can be positive, but that is not to be equated with wrath.
 
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