Lustful thoughts?

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Bookcat said:
Hum thanks for the vote of confidence (I try to do what I can…)

The confessor has been trained for his vocational work there in the confessional. It is part of the Priests role and education to guide penitents in confession…and yes on these very issues.

(unless of course one stumbles across one who was trained in the past during a period and in a seminary where things were not as they ought to be or he his not living up to his vocation and guiding others according to the Churches teaching -heck heresies have been started by Priests…ordination does not make one right…)

By the way my course at Franciscan University of Steubenville on medical and sexual morality-- where I learned a good deal of what I know on the subject --was taught by a Priest.
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Tell you: I was 17 years in the Seminary, I studied 5 years of Philosophy and 4 years of Theology. I was a Jesuit in China.
I could be ordained priest right away, I have more than enough studies. Most priests have half of them. Then, my Superior told me that I would better marry, I had no vocation.
So, I left, I started all over again, I met my wonderful wife and we have 2 kids in University.
So, I know both sides of the fence. I could be the priest you would be talking with.

I know what I am talking about when I told you what I told you.
 
brb3 said:
Thoughts are not sin … unless we give them a home in our minds, take selfish pleasure in them, or determine to act upon them outside of marriage.

Regarding ‘lust’ for your wife … that would seem allowable. Paul teaches in 1 Cor. 7:9 “It is better to take a wife, than to burn with passion [lust]”.
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Bingo !!!👍
 
Pfaffenhoffen said:
I have a theory about sexual pleasure in animals.
Nevertheless, I would like to hear someone’s theory.
Why did God put pleasure into animal sexual behavior ?
If no one answers, tomorrow I will give my theory. Nevertheless I would like VERY MUCH hear other theories first.
Then I get into the word “selfish”.
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As there was no answer, here it goes my theory.
Pleasure in animals is for reproduction. They do it all for pleasure, then they have babies. They do not relate the pleasure they had in sex with the arrival of the babies. They just follow instincts.
Pleasure in man is selfish, of course. So, there is selfishness in it what is not bad: we have pleasure eating to save our lives and so on…
But man=Animal+Spirit+Grace
But besides being selfish, we are human and we have the Grace of God, which means we must behave in higher grounds too.
But to be selfish in itself is not bad.
 
brb3 said:
Regarding ‘lust’ for your wife … that would seem allowable. Paul teaches in 1 Cor. 7:9 “It is better to take a wife, than to burn with passion [lust]”.
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Paul is not meaning that one may lust for ones wife.

Bl Pope John Paul II reminded that one is not to lust after ones spouse either (such as treating her only as an object…).

This of course is not meaning of that spouses are not to have ordered sexual desire for one another.

The Church is not using some broad definition of “lust” as desire or even passion - per se.
 
Bookcat said:
Paul is not meaning that one may lust for ones wife.

Bl Pope John Paul II reminded that one is not to lust after ones spouse either (such as treating her only as an object…).

This of course is not meaning of that spouses are not to have ordered sexual desire for one another.

The Church is not using some broad definition of “lust” as desire or even passion - per se.
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Sex is animal, ok?
We are Spirit and Grace, ok?
So, body must be commanded by the spirit and by Grace.
But, in the end, sex is a fight against death of the body. without sex, all living things would disappear.
So, lets us remember that sex is animal.
So, though ordered by spirit and Grace, our body has its own animal rhythms too.
 
They can become mortal according to Church teaching, but people who worry about this a lot are often scrupulous people, so make sure to talk to your confessor about it.

The saints were often tempted to impurity, but the key thing is not to indulge in the temptation. Keep up your prayer life, go to daily mass, etc., and don’t worry.
 
Leon_Bloy said:
They can become mortal according to Church teaching, but people who worry about this a lot are often scrupulous people, so make sure to talk to your confessor about it.

The saints were often tempted to impurity, but the key thing is not to indulge in the temptation. Keep up your prayer life, go to daily mass, etc., and don’t worry.
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Yes lustful thoughts are grave matter.

What is important is to distinguish between “temptation” and “consent”
 
Bookcat said:
What is important is to distinguish between “temptation” and “consent”
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Bookcat is on target once again. Yes - this is where scrupulous people can get hung up, which is why it’s good to talk to a confessor.

Almost everybody is going to get temptations to lustful thoughts. Those who imagine they consented to them when they didn’t might think they can’t go to communion, which then weakens them spiritually, and makes them vulnerable to temptation - so watch out for falling into that situation.

Some saints have compared the temptation to lustful thoughts to a dog that runs behind you, barking and trying to snap at your ankles. The saints say to just keep walking - you can only get bit if you stop and face the dog.
 
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