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I read not too long ago a pamphlet regarding Calvin and Luther as saints. 
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Iron_Donkey
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Something tells me this was not a Catholic pamphlet.
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wmscott
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Well if they made it past the Pearly Gates and into Heaven, then I guess they are saints of sortsI read not too long ago a pamphlet regarding Calvin and Luther as saints.
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ndismyhome
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To us Lutherans, Luther is most assuredly a saint.
Speaking only as a Lutheran. It depends on what is meant by “saint”. In Lutheran terms, Luther was definitely a saint, and a sinner too. We have no logistics in Lutheranism to ascribe to him “sainthood” in the same way Catholics do. So, I consider Pope John Paul II a saint, whether or not the CC acts to canonize him.
Probably not.Jon
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bz5
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To us Catholics, anyone in Heaven is a saint. Some are canonized and some not. I’m glad some are canonized - it gives us beautiful examples and hope. Of course, we also believe in asking their intercession, just like we ask our friends here on Earth to pray for us. Some of the Protestants I know would never speak of the saints, but they do they read their children books about “Christian witnesses.” It amuses me, but I say nothing - these women really are good Christians, they’ve just been taught to have a knee-jerk horror of anything smacking of Catholicism.
On the bolded, we would absolutely agree. We would add that the regenerate in the Church Militant are also saints, but at the same time sinners, “working out our salvation in fear and trembling”.
And would say that, with out a doubt, they do pray for us, the Church Militant, unceasingly.
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grandfather
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Only God knows. As Catholics we should pray for their souls.I read not too long ago a pamphlet regarding Calvin and Luther as saints.
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ndismyhome
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Yes, while Luther was alive he would have been bound under the simul. But, as he is now dead, he has finished the shedding of his old, sinful Adam (which began in Baptism) and now awaits the Resurrection as a saint in Christ as do all the faithful departed.
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Telestia
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Yes.Agreed. He is a member of the Church Triumphant!
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It is important to note that around 1524, Martin Luther began to suffer from what would become a severe case of Menieres Disease, which continued to worsen as the years went by.
Symptoms of Menieres Disease include: Attacks of rotational vertigo that can be severe, incapacitating, unpredictable, and last anywhere from minutes to hours. For some sufferers however, prolonged attacks can occur, lasting from several days to several weeks, often causing the sufferer to be severely incapacitated. This combines with an increase in volume of tinnitus and temporary, albeit significant, hearing loss. Hearing may improve after an attack, but often becomes progressively worse.
This may account to his strange behavior and writings as he became older, including his change from pro-Jewish views in his early adult years, to his later writings that were downright anti-semitic. . He eventually hired someone to be with him and keep him from hurting himself or others present. His father and two brothers suffered from Menieres Disease also.
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