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This is useful information for you as well:

cym.perthcatholic.org.au/whynot/jesusfounded.php

***PROVIDE EVIDENCE SHOWING THAT JESUS FOUNDED CATHOLICISM. ***

Jesus founded Catholicism on the first pope: Peter (Matt 16:18 ). There exists abundant evidence proving that the Early Christian Church was Catholic in faith, worship and government (see the pages entitled: THE EARLY CHURCH WAS CATHOLIC). The date of foundation of every non-Catholic Christian group can be given, and in no case is it 30 AD, and their founder is not Jesus. Only the Catholic Church goes back in every respect to her foundation by Christ Himself. Christ, who is God, founded a Church. He promised it would last to the end of time. Therefore, His Church exists in the world at the present day. Christ imprinted certain marks on His Church so that people could always identify it. No church, therefore, can be His Church, unless it possesses ALL those marks. The Catholic Church alone possesses them. Only the Catholic Church is **one, holy, catholic and apostolic **. (See also Nicene Creed, 325 AD.)

Or these quotes from the early Church fathers:

Ignatius of Antioch

“Let no one do anything of concern to the Church without the bishop. Let that be considered a valid Eucharist which is celebrated by the bishop or by one whom he ordains *. Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church” (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

The Martyrdom of Polycarp

“And of the elect, he was one indeed, the wonderful martyr Polycarp, who in our days was an apostolic and prophetic teacher, bishop of the Catholic Church in Smyrna. For every word which came forth from his mouth was fulfilled and will be fulfilled” (Martyrdom of Polycarp 16:2 [A.D. 155]).

Or even this article with recommended reading:
The Early Church Was Catholic

catholic.com/thisrock/1996/9605fea2.asp


John Henry Cardinal Newman, the great nineteenth-century Catholic convert, wrote in the introduction to his classic work, *An Essay On The Development Of Christian Doctrine, *". . . the Christianity of history is not Protestantism. If ever there were a safe truth, it is this." As I began a serious study of my Catholic faith in 1991, the catholicity of the early Church overwhelmed me. Not just a quote from Clement here, and a line from Augustine there, amid contradicting statements from other early Fathers.

What I found was an amazing unanimity on the central doctrines of the faith. Not that the early Fathers agreed on every point-there were development of doctrine and theological controversies throughout Christian history. But what was the Church like during the first four centuries of Christianity?

Ordained bishops headed the local churches, with the bishop of Rome (Peter’s successor) having primacy over the other bishops; the Church celebrated the Mass and considered it a representation of Christ’s once-for-all sacrifice on the cross; the Church honored Mary, said prayers for the dead, and believed in final purification after death which we now call purgatory. [The following citations are from St. Augustine (paragraph numbers from Jurgens’*Faith of the Early Fathers *): primacy of the Bishop of Rome: 1418, 1507, 1862; Mass as a sacrifice: 1424, 1844, 1977; honoring Mary: 1518, 1643, 1644, 1794, 1974(d); prayers for the dead: 1513, 1516, 1780, 1930, 1934; Purgatory: 1467, 1544, 1776, 1920.] I did not find the early Fathers teaching salvation by faith alone, the Bible as the sole rule of faith, or the " Pre-tribulational Rapture."

Finally, my fourth proposition is:

*The beliefs, government, and worship of early Christianity were clearly Catholic and not Protestant. *
 
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Don’t worry: you don’t have to take my word for these historical claims. You can verify them for yourself. If you have several hundred dollars to spare, or a good library nearby, you can use the 38-volume The Early Church Fathers (Hendrickson). For only $45, you can get Jurgens’ three-volume Faith of the Early Fathers (Liturgical Press). If all you can afford is $10, get *Early Christian Writings *(Penguin Classics). Be careful! As Cardinal Newman also said in his essay, “To be deep into history is to cease to be Protestant.”

If you believe you can disprove any of the above propositions, I will review your information prayerfully. If I’m convinced your arguments are correct, I will become a Protestant. If you cannot disprove at least one of these points, obedience to Christ will demand I remain Catholic. You might reflect on what obedience requires of *you. *

If you think these questions about the nature of the Church are unimportant, I ask you to reconsider. Either Christ did or did not establish a visible Church, with bishops, priests, and deacons. If he did not, the claims of the Catholic Church are not just wrong-but arrogant and blasphemous. But if Christ did establish such a Church, then “. . . the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” (Matt. 16:18). Membership is not optional-Christ commands that you join his visible body.
 
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CatherineofA:
There isn’t any substantial evidence that Jesus founded the Catholic Church but there is substantial evidence that it was around in the years of the early centuries Christians.
Oh, yes there is, lots of it. Since you are a good Lutheran (I am assuming you are a Lutheran here), start with your Bible. Which, by the way brings up a good point: when I was a Lutheran teen going through confirmation classes and we learned about Sola Scriptura, no one ever wanted to discuss in any depth where the Bible actually came from. I remember I actually asked our pastor that question, and he just dodged it. So where did it come from? Who collected the books that comprise the Canon of Scripture? To whom did Jesus give that authority? The Catholic Church! If you believe and trust the Bible, then believe and trust in the Church to whom Christ gave the authority to bring the Bible together into the Canon of Scripture - the Catholic Church!

Blessings,

Jenny
 
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