Luther was anti-Catholic?

[Paris_Blues]

This is exactly how I’m interpreting things!!! Was he or was he not and just had some “misunderstandings?”

 

[jesusluv]

I look at Luther, and this is just my own opinion, as having some good sound problems with the Church of his time and he went to reform them, but unlike those like St. Francis of Assissi, he started becoming more and more anti-catholic as he went along to the point of being excommunicated and then by the time the Lutheran faith was set up and established, his stories had grown way out of proportion. According to newadvent(if I remember correctly), he went to Rome when he supposedly witnessed all the abuses he was against, but it was 15 years after his return that he started telling stories about it and they got bigger and bigger as time went on.

 

[CJFreeman]

jesusluv:

I look at Luther, and this is just my own opinion, as having some good sound problems with the Church of his time and he went to reform them, but unlike those like St. Francis of Assissi, he started becoming more and more anti-catholic as he went along to the point of being excommunicated and then by the time the Lutheran faith was set up and established, his stories had grown way out of proportion. According to newadvent(if I remember correctly), he went to Rome when he supposedly witnessed all the abuses he was against, but it was 15 years after his return that he started telling stories about it and they got bigger and bigger as time went on.

This is patently false. Luther never wanted to separate from Rome; he loved the Church, and regretted his excommunication. Nevertheless, he did what he understood to be right – which was to stand against fabrications such as the scandal of Tetzel, Mainz, and the reigning Pope of the time who were extorting money to fund St. Peter’s from the German peasants. This was an abuse of Indulgences. Doctrinally, Luther wanted to move away from teachings that had many confused because of their lack of coherency: Mariology, monasticism, the Penetential system, et al.

He did not tell tales, as your post implies. The Catholic Church kicked him out quite against his efforts to stay in. More later…

Christopher J. Freeman

 

[Paris_Blues]

CJFreeman:

This is patently false. Luther never wanted to separate from Rome; he loved the Church, and regretted his excommunication. Nevertheless, he did what he understood to be right – which was to stand against fabrications such as the scandal of Tetzel, Mainz, and the reigning Pope of the time who were extorting money to fund St. Peter’s from the German peasants. This was an abuse of Indulgences. Doctrinally, Luther wanted to move away from teachings that had many confused because of their lack of coherency: Mariology, monasticism, the Penetential system, et al.

He did not tell tales, as your post implies. The Catholic Church kicked him out quite against his efforts to stay in. More later…

Christopher J. Freeman

Yeah but did he really intend to make another “church”?

 

[CJFreeman]

Paris Blues:

Yeah but did he really intend to make another “church”?

No. He intended reform “in head and members” of the Catholic church.

Christopher J. Freeman

 

[mark_a]

CJFreeman:

No. He intended reform “in head and members” of the Catholic church.

Christopher J. Freeman

Without Luther and the rest of the reformers, it may have taken the Church another 200 years to straighten itself out.

Much of the reformation happened to Luther, not because of him.

One thing that bugs me about Luther is that he answered unfavorable dialog with course, nasty, personal insults.

 

[Philena]

He called the Pope the anti-christ. I’d say that is anti-Catholic. His later writings are very anti-Catholic. I don’t think that he intended to leave the Church in the beginning, but things got out of hand when his reformation played into the hands of the German princes who were trying to disassociate themselves from the authority of Rome.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

Luther was a devout Catholic most of his life. His anger towards the Church came from his realization that it didn’t WANT to be reformed when it needed it most. Have you actually read his ‘95 Thesis’?