Lutheran Archbishop on Full Communion with Episcopalians/ Old Catholics

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Which is not to say - if you will permit me, GKC - that there should not be such a common set of beliefs. Really I wish there were. I find myself agonisingly close to being Roman Catholic… I would give such thanks to God if He would give us a clear confession of faith by which I could recognise both justification by my unworthy faith and the faith of the Church of Rome. And I say that, not to cause offense or suggest relativism, but precisely because I long for the objective truth of the Gospel of Christ’s Church.
What makes you think I would take offense?

GKC
 
Were the difficulties settled in the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification?
Not really. It helped show a lot of similarities but, at least as far as confessional Lutherans are concerned, I don’t think so.

Sorry for not having more of the article. :o
 
I find myself agonisingly close to being Roman Catholic… I would give such thanks to God if He would give us a clear confession of faith by which I could recognise both justification by my unworthy faith and the faith of the Church of Rome.
Sounds to me that you’re like a lot of PNCC members. Quite frankly, it isn’t hard to imagine a PNCC parish simply collapsing (I don’t mean physically of course) and its remaining members going to their local Roman parish.
 
Which is not to say - if you will permit me, GKC - that there should not be such a common set of beliefs. Really I wish there were. I find myself agonisingly close to being Roman Catholic… I would give such thanks to God if He would give us a clear confession of faith by which I could recognise both justification by my unworthy faith and the faith of the Church of Rome. And I say that, not to cause offense or suggest relativism, but precisely because I long for the objective truth of the Gospel of Christ’s Church.
I can empathize with that. I was there for several years. I finally found myself being too stubborn to be taught, I just surrendered. Things have never been better in matters of Faith. I’m not going to lie, thou, I still struggle with several teachings, but in with a different attitude.

Keep the Faith!
 
I urge caution, on the LCMS’s part.

GKC
I second that lol.

ACNA is a great bunch of Anglicans but they really have not be around long enough for me to form an opinion of the ACNA as a whole. 🤷
 
I have an opinion.

GKC
Care to educate us, friend? I’ve read about the good work that the LCMS, LCC and ACNA did in defending traditional marriage, but I don’t know much about the ACNA outside of that.
 
Care to educate us, friend? I’ve read about the good work that the LCMS, LCC and ACNA did in defending traditional marriage, but I don’t know much about the ACNA outside of that.
My opinion is that, for a traditionalist, esp. Anglo-Catholic sort of Anglican, which describes me, the ACNA is a curate’s egg. Though my Continuing Anglican group, and several others, maintain cautious contact with them, until they get their act together on female ordination, they may go their own way.

Other than that, I would expect them to be orthodox on the sexual issues. marriage included.

GKC
 
So here is my question and it may be an isolated situation.

How will LCMS and ACNA or ELCA and TEC…come into full communion if they believe differently on AS?

Example: I was serving as the Worship Leader at the Thanksgiving Eve Mass. Our priest was the celebrant as well as an ELCA pastor (co celebrant). I have spoken with the ELCA pastor (he gives wonderful sermons) about AS and he is not really for such. How does that work exactly?

I am totally for communion between Churches yet is it a communion wide or just this one pastor?
 
So here is my question and it may be an isolated situation.

How will LCMS and ACNA or ELCA and TEC…come into full communion if they believe differently on AS?
Perhaps a better question would be: Where does the idea come from that the LCMS and ACNA are going to enter into a full communion agreement? I’ve never seen any real basis for it, so I would guess it’s from the same kind of thinking as the When-will-Orthodox-and-Rome-be-in-full-communion? mantra.
 
Perhaps a better question would be: Where does the idea come from that the LCMS and ACNA are going to enter into a full communion agreement? I’ve never seen any real basis for it, so I would guess it’s from the same kind of thinking as the When-will-Orthodox-and-Rome-be-in-full-communion? mantra.
I have heard such talks from LCMS pastors and ACNA priest but sure we can go with your question. Have a great day. lol
 
Perhaps a better question would be: Where does the idea come from that the LCMS and ACNA are going to enter into a full communion agreement? I’ve never seen any real basis for it, so I would guess it’s from the same kind of thinking as the When-will-Orthodox-and-Rome-be-in-full-communion? mantra.
From what I have heard, full communion is not part of the discussion
at this point. Just talks on what we can do together.

Jon
 
So here is my question and it may be an isolated situation.

How will LCMS and ACNA or ELCA and TEC…come into full communion if they believe differently on AS?

Example: I was serving as the Worship Leader at the Thanksgiving Eve Mass. Our priest was the celebrant as well as an ELCA pastor (co celebrant). I have spoken with the ELCA pastor (he gives wonderful sermons) about AS and he is not really for such. How does that work exactly?

I am totally for communion between Churches yet is it a communion wide or just this one pastor?
The ELCA and TEC are already in full altar and pulpit communion. As for AS, the Lutheran confessions speak in favor of it.

Jon
 
From what I have heard, full communion is not part of the discussion
at this point. Just talks on what we can do together.

Jon
Right. I have heard the same in my Lutheran circles.
The ELCA and TEC are already in full altar and pulpit communion. As for AS, the Lutheran confessions speak in favor of it.

Jon
This kind of goes with the above. We are in full communion with the ELCA but there is still a divide among the faithful on certain issues.

Wouldn’t lutherans need to be ordained again with AS in order to be in FULL communion?
 
Right. I have heard the same in my Lutheran circles.

This kind of goes with the above. We are in full communion with the ELCA but there is still a divide among the faithful on certain issues.

Wouldn’t lutherans need to be ordained again with AS in order to be in FULL communion?
The issue of succession was, somehow, resolved as a result of the “Call to Common Mission”, signed between the two church bodies. Since then, as I recall, Anglican bishops are involved as at least one of the three bishops involved in ordination (EvangelCatholic, or Pastor Gary, correct me if I am wrong). Similarly, this was done also, as I understand it, in the Porvoo Agreement in Europe.

So, between the ELCA and TEC, both priesthoods are in successions now.

Jon
 
The issue of succession was, somehow, resolved as a result of the “Call to Common Mission”, signed between the two church bodies. Since then, as I recall, Anglican bishops are involved as at least one of the three bishops involved in ordination (EvangelCatholic, or Pastor Gary, correct me if I am wrong). Similarly, this was done also, as I understand it, in the Porvoo Agreement in Europe.

So, between the ELCA and TEC, both priesthoods are in successions now.

Jon
See that’s what I thought but talking to the ELCA pastor, that fills in for our priest when needed, I got a different take. I will talk with him son and how to clarify. Thanks
 
The issue of succession was, somehow, resolved as a result of the “Call to Common Mission”, signed between the two church bodies. Since then, as I recall, Anglican bishops are involved as at least one of the three bishops involved in ordination (EvangelCatholic, or Pastor Gary, correct me if I am wrong). Similarly, this was done also, as I understand it, in the Porvoo Agreement in Europe.

So, between the ELCA and TEC, both priesthoods are in successions now.

Jon
Even if a given ELCA pastor doesn’t understand AS in that sense. I still don’t understand how that works. 🤷
 
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