Lutheran belief - Sacramental Union (not Consubstantiation)

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Not meaning to intrude, but that last quoted statement of the dialogue is why I have never had a problem with transub.

Now fading back into the shadows.

GKC
It is why I do not, as well. I just find it interesting that these Catholic theologians are comfortable with the Lutheran expression (SU), meant in the same way as Transubstantiation. I might be wrong (its known to have happened, and not infrequently) but ISTM that they would not be so comfortable if they thought we meant Consubstantiation.

Jon
 
Correct me I have this wrong. 🙂

Is it not true that the Catholic Church holds that the Lutheran Church(s) do not have the true Eucharist since the Lutheran Church(s) lost a valid ministerial Priesthood after Luther separated from the Church?

If I have that correct, than any discussion with Catholics must place that as a foundation. Do you not agree?

So, until those points are addressed, how can we have a proper discussion about Transubstantiation and Consubstantiation?

Is it not critical to lay the truths (as each side sees them) on the table, so that an honest discussion can take place?

If the RCC view of the Eucharist is correct, than every living soul on earth should be a RC. If, however, the Lutheran view is correct, than the RCC has taught error for its entire existence, which means the Gates of Hades did prevail over the Lord’s Church, which in turn becomes a huge issue for all Christendom.
 
=irishpatrick;12163829]Correct me I have this wrong. 🙂
Is it not true that the Catholic Church holds that the Lutheran Church(s) do not have the true Eucharist since the Lutheran Church(s) lost a valid ministerial Priesthood after Luther separated from the Church?
While I don’t believe there has ever been an official statement as such, particularly regarding those Lutherans that retained bishops, Iwould say that your understanding of the Catholic position is correct.
If I have that correct, than any discussion with Catholics must place that as a foundation. Do you not agree?
It has certainly been part of the dialogue between Lutherans and Catholics, particularly since Vatican II.
So, until those points are addressed, how can we have a proper discussion about Transubstantiation and Consubstantiation?
There is no reason not to. One can have a dialogue here at CAF on a variety of issues at once, ISTM, if the leaders of our communions can on a more official level. If we are to take one thing off the table simply because another has not been resolved, the number of issues to discuss become few.
Jon
 
While I don’t believe there has ever been an official statement as such, particularly regarding those Lutherans that retained bishops, Iwould say that your understanding of the Catholic position is correct.

It has certainly been part of the dialogue between Lutherans and Catholics, particularly since Vatican II.

There is no reason not to. One can have a dialogue here at CAF on a variety of issues at once, ISTM, if the leaders of our communions can on a more official level. If we are to take one thing off the table simply because another has not been resolved, the number of issues to discuss become few.
Jon
Thank you. I am not trying to stifle conversation. I just feel this is a critical issue. If the RCC if wrong about the Eucharist, than everything in the Christian belief sphere becomes suspect. I think that is something to address. Jesus made a rock-solid promise that the Gates of Hades would not prevail over His Church–if the Church taught wrongly about the Eucharist, than for 2,000 years the Church has taught Catholics to be idolaters and that means the Gates of Hades did prevail over the Lord’s Church.

People receive and adore the Lord. They go to Eucharistic adoration and adore the Lord. Yet, if the RCC is wrong, than they are adoring a piece of bread.

Also, is it not a form of encouraging a false faith belief to discuss Transubtantiation and Consubstantiation? After all, from a RCC pov, Lutherans cannot have either one since they do not hold a valid ministerial Priesthood.

I think a proper discussion must start with the Priesthood, because without a valid Priesthood, the rest is meaningless. 🙂
 
IIRC the Phillipists won the day over the gnesio Lutherans. That’s why there isn’t any any Eucharistic adoration in most Lutheran parishes.
Wow, are you sure about that? I have never participated in a Lutheran Mass that did not have elevations of the host/ cup [often several times during the Eucharistic Prayer]. Lutherans kneel, bow, make the sign of the cross in front of the consecrated elements.
Perhaps it would have been better to say “what Catholics (in the Roman Communion) call Eucharistic adortation.”
 
Thank you. I am not trying to stifle conversation. I just feel this is a critical issue. If the RCC if wrong about the Eucharist, than everything in the Christian belief sphere becomes suspect. I think that is something to address. Jesus made a rock-solid promise that the Gates of Hades would not prevail over His Church–if the Church taught wrongly about the Eucharist, than for 2,000 years the Church has taught Catholics to be idolaters and that means the Gates of Hades did prevail over the Lord’s Church.

People receive and adore the Lord. They go to Eucharistic adoration and adore the Lord. Yet, if the RCC is wrong, than they are adoring a piece of bread.

Also, is it not a form of encouraging a false faith belief to discuss Transubtantiation and Consubstantiation? After all, from a RCC pov, Lutherans cannot have either one since they do not hold a valid ministerial Priesthood.

I think a proper discussion must start with the Priesthood, because without a valid Priesthood, the rest is meaningless. 🙂
This approach will so simplify posting.

GKC
 
Thank you. I am not trying to stifle conversation. I just feel this is a critical issue. If the RCC if wrong about the Eucharist, than everything in the Christian belief sphere becomes suspect. I think that is something to address. Jesus made a rock-solid promise that the Gates of Hades would not prevail over His Church–if the Church taught wrongly about the Eucharist, than for 2,000 years the Church has taught Catholics to be idolaters and that means the Gates of Hades did prevail over the Lord’s Church.

People receive and adore the Lord. They go to Eucharistic adoration and adore the Lord. Yet, if the RCC is wrong, than they are adoring a piece of bread.

Also, is it not a form of encouraging a false faith belief to discuss Transubtantiation and Consubstantiation? After all, from a RCC pov, Lutherans cannot have either one since they do not hold a valid ministerial Priesthood.

I think a proper discussion must start with the Priesthood, because without a valid Priesthood, the rest is meaningless. 🙂
I believe you can set aside any apprehension that Catholics, in dialogue with Lutherans, have watered down or encouraged false belief regarding the Eucharist

Early on in the talks Catholics and Lutherans went much further by addressing a key issue: the office of the papacy and Lutheran ministry:
Papal Primacy and the Universal Church (1973)
95. What follows for the relations between our churches from the analysis above, supported by the biblical and historical explanations that follow below? Building upon the earlier Lutheran-Roman Catholic dialogues, Eucharist and Ministry and Facing Unity,156 we propose steps toward a full, mutual recognition and reconciliation of our ministries and the ultimate goal of full communion. We are aware of common challenges to overcome. Nevertheless, the mutual recognition of ministries need not be an all-or-nothing matter and should not be reduced to a simple judgment about validity or invalidity. In order to assess the degree of our koinonia in ordained ministry, a more nuanced discernment is needed reflecting the way that an ordained ministry serves the proclamation of the gospel and the administration of the sacraments, stands in continuity with the apostolic tradition, and serves communion among churches.
usccb.org/beliefs-and-tea…-salvation.cfm
 
Also, is it not a form of encouraging a false faith belief to discuss Transubtantiation and Consubstantiation?
I don’t know, but if you are going to discuss them then the NonCatholic Relgions Forum seems the best place. :cool:

(To be fair, the thread title specifically says “not Consubstantiation”.)
 
What is your take, then, on the linked document, understanding that this is not officially accepted by either Lutherans or Catholics, but instead a dialogue statement.
Well, I don’t think it is correct in all it says. If it had just taken as its point of discussion Confessio Augustana 10, it would be compatible. But the ‘sacramental union’ as presented in the FC is not compatible with transubstantiation.
These theologians seem to agree that the two concepts should not be Church dividing.
That is another question, of course. Not every disagreement must cause division. But the Eucharist is hardly adiaphoristic.
And personally, when Transubstantiation is described in this way, I tend to agree with the dialogue conclusion.
But that is exactly how it has always been described. I know that some people – Lutherans, Catholics, Orthodox, Reformed, etc. – claim that transubstantiation tries to explain how the real presence ‘comes about,’ but that has never been the case.
 
I have been attending the Lutheran church in the mornings since last November.

I have been looking at the threads that could help me clarify concepts between the two. Likewise, it would be very wrong and two face of me to find fault attending this congregation, and so I kept at it.
  1. First we went up and I received their communion upon my client’s request. I made an act of faith that what I was doing was not the understanding of my faith tradition, but honored their gathering in Christ…and my client, who just lost his wife a few weeks prior.
  2. I was most uncomfortable after going up there for about 3 to 4 weeks. It was now Advent. Then I read about different faiths traditions, and it would be preferred that those who are outside Lutheran belief, to go up for a blessing with arms crossed. So I did, and they were surprised at the altar thinking all this time I was Lutheran.
The congregation has at most about 30 people per weekend.
  1. Then seeing the reaction and going up there and receiving blessings, nevertheless, I still. felt very uncomfortable. So by now we are approaching Easter. I ask if I can just stay in chair and he said fine. So he went up without me, and again they wondered what I was doing…if I am reading them right.
  2. So we would come in, and now after 2 weeks client decides he would prefer to sit in the back with the arm chair. We would come in right at 8 am or minutes after, always my fault…pretty tired all the time and working all day the day before. They always look around for us and figured out we were sitting in the way back. I like this the best.
  3. Now about 2 weeks ago, somebody got wise and put the arm chair client sits in about 3 to 4 rows up closer to front. So now we sit there. But by now, everyone knows I am Catholic and we all experience Christ together, even though I sit in the chair during their communion time.
My pastor told us a Lutheran minister came to visit our parish and he was astonished and how many different kinds of people came to it, and how we have this sacred unity, irregardless…people of different races and economic background, whereas he said his church, the congregation was homogenous.

So…it would be nice if the Lutherans came home, along with the Anglicans…and hopefully some day the touchy Orthodox. Likewise, I am very comfortable with mystery, but am most uncomfortable when Orthodox and Latin men start arguing…“No it is not”…“yes, it is !”…"You just said a blasphemy…in response to Latin naming Mary, the “Immaculate Conception”…and so on.

I have moved around in one place at the Lutheran church, but irregardless experienced Christ with them…would like to see more movement of the Lutherans coming towards us.
 
I have been attending the Lutheran church in the mornings since last November.

I have been looking at the threads that could help me clarify concepts between the two. Likewise, it would be very wrong and two face of me to find fault attending this congregation, and so I kept at it.
  1. First we went up and I received their communion upon my client’s request. I made an act of faith that what I was doing was not the understanding of my faith tradition, but honored their gathering in Christ…and my client, who just lost his wife a few weeks prior.
  2. I was most uncomfortable after going up there for about 3 to 4 weeks. It was now Advent. Then I read about different faiths traditions, and it would be preferred that those who are outside Lutheran belief, to go up for a blessing with arms crossed. So I did, and they were surprised at the altar thinking all this time I was Lutheran.
The congregation has at most about 30 people per weekend.
  1. Then seeing the reaction and going up there and receiving blessings, nevertheless, I still. felt very uncomfortable. So by now we are approaching Easter. I ask if I can just stay in chair and he said fine. So he went up without me, and again they wondered what I was doing…if I am reading them right.
  2. So we would come in, and now after 2 weeks client decides he would prefer to sit in the back with the arm chair. We would come in right at 8 am or minutes after, always my fault…pretty tired all the time and working all day the day before. They always look around for us and figured out we were sitting in the way back. I like this the best.
  3. Now about 2 weeks ago, somebody got wise and put the arm chair client sits in about 3 to 4 rows up closer to front. So now we sit there. But by now, everyone knows I am Catholic and we all experience Christ together, even though I sit in the chair during their communion time.
My pastor told us a Lutheran minister came to visit our parish and he was astonished and how many different kinds of people came to it, and how we have this sacred unity, irregardless…people of different races and economic background, whereas he said his church, the congregation was homogenous.

So…it would be nice if the Lutherans came home, along with the Anglicans…and hopefully some day the touchy Orthodox. Likewise, I am very comfortable with mystery, but am most uncomfortable when Orthodox and Latin men start arguing…“No it is not”…“yes, it is !”…"You just said a blasphemy…in response to Latin naming Mary, the “Immaculate Conception”…and so on.

I have moved around in one place at the Lutheran church, but irregardless experienced Christ with them…would like to see more movement of the Lutherans coming towards us.
Enjoy reading about your work and the evident care you provide this old Lutheran man you take to church. :cool:
 
Jon, when the Formula of Concord rejects a “carnal, Capernaitic” explanation of the Eucharist, it is not rejecting consubstantiation or any “philosophical” or “metaphysical” explanation of the Eucharist. It is merely speaking against the accusations of the “Sacramentarians” that a belief in the real presence of Christ in the sacrament implies cannibalism. Like St. Augustine says,

What is it, then, that He adds? “It is the Spirit that quickens; the flesh profits nothing.” Let us say to Him (for He permits us, not contradicting Him, but desiring to know), O Lord, good Master, in what way does the flesh profit nothing, while You have said, “Except a man eat my flesh, and drink my blood, he shall not have life in him?” Or does life profit nothing? And why are we what we are, but that we may have eternal life, which Thou dost promise by Your flesh? Then what means “the flesh profits nothing”? It profits nothing, but only in the manner in which they understood it. They indeed understood the flesh, just as when cut to pieces in a carcass, or sold in the shambles; not as when it is quickened by the Spirit. Wherefore it is said that “the flesh profits nothing,” in the same manner as it is said that “knowledge puffs up.” Then, ought we at once to hate knowledge? Far from it! And what means “Knowledge puffs up”? Knowledge alone, without charity. Therefore he added, “but charity edifies.” Therefore add to knowledge charity, and knowledge will be profitable, not by itself, but through charity. So also here, “the flesh profits nothing,” only when alone. Let the Spirit be added to the flesh, as charity is added to knowledge, and it profits very much. For if the flesh profited nothing, the Word would not be made flesh to dwell among us. If through the flesh Christ has greatly profited us, does the flesh profit nothing? But it is by the flesh that the Spirit has done somewhat for our salvation. Flesh was a vessel; consider what it held, not what it was. The apostles were sent forth; did their flesh profit us nothing? If the apostles’ flesh profited us, could it be that the Lord’s flesh should have profited us nothing? For how should the sound of the Word come to us except by the voice of the flesh? Whence should writing come to us? All these are operations of the flesh, but only when the spirit moves it, as if it were its organ. Therefore “it is the Spirit that quickens; the flesh profits nothing,” as they understood the flesh, but not so do I give my flesh to be eaten.
(Tractates on John XXII.5)

The passage from the Formula of Concord is teaching that Christ is present truly, but not in a carnal way that leads to cannibalism.

63] The other eating of the body of Christ is oral or sacramental, when the true, essential body and blood of Christ are also orally received and partaken of in the Holy Supper, by all who eat and drink the consecrated bread and wine in the Supper-by the believing as a certain pledge and assurance that their sins are surely forgiven them, and Christ dwells and is efficacious in them, but by the unbelieving for their judgment and condemnation, 64] as the words of the institution by Christ expressly declare, when at the table and during the Supper He offers His disciples natural bread and natural wine, which He calls His true body and true blood, at the same time saying: Eat and drink. For in view of the circumstances this command evidently cannot be understood otherwise than of oral eating and drinking, however, not in a gross, carnal, Capernaitic, but in a supernatural, incomprehensible way; 65] to which afterwards the other command adds still another and spiritual eating, when the Lord Christ says further: This do in remembrance of Me, where He requires faith [which is the spiritual partaking of Christ’s body).

Again, this is against the “Sacramentarians” who derided the Real Presence as blasphemy and cannibalism.

67] Hence it is manifest how unjustly and maliciously the Sacramentarian fanatics (Theodore Beza) deride the Lord Christ, St. Paul, and the entire Church in calling this oral partaking, and that of the unworthy, duos pilos caudae equinae et commentum, cuius vel ipsum Satanam pudeat, as also the doctrine concerning the majesty of Christ, excrementum Satanae, quo diabolus sibi ipsi et hominibus illudat, that is, they speak so horribly of it that a godly Christian man should be ashamed to translate it.

It is not rejecting “philosophical” or “metaphysical” explanations. Indeed, the authors of the Formula say that such explanations are necessary to define doctrine and, more to the point, that the distinction of substance and accident is an undeniable truth. I think it has been sufficiently demonstrated that the Formula’s teaching of “sacramental union” is a metaphysical explanation, making use of the metaphysical categories of substance, accident and so on.
 
When Lutherans reject the term “consubstantiation” because they reject a “local inclusion” of Christ’s body or a combination into a third substance, they are arguing against a strawman. What Catholic author who described Lutheran eucharistic teaching as consubstantiation has claimed that it means that Lutherans believe in a local inclusion of Christ’s body? Perhaps Reformed writers make this accusation since they falsely make the same accusation against the doctrine of transubstantiation, but Catholics do not reject the word on the count that Reformed authors misunderstand and misrepresent what it signifies. The word consubstantiation merely refers to the simultaneous existence of the two substances of bread and Christ’s body, not that they are hypostatically united or that Christ’s body is present in the bread locally. The term consubstantiation indicates that the substance of bread remains after consecration in opposition to transubstantiation in which the substance of bread is truly converted into the substance of Christ’s body, such that the substance of bread no longer remains.

Such a belief was not unique to Lutherans. It was taught earlier also, for example, by Wycliffe, who, though he believed in no “local inclusion” of Christ’s body in the sacrament, believed that the substance of bread remained in the sacrament. You can see that the Council of Constance condemned two propositions taught by Wycliffe, which are also taught by the Formula of Concord.
  1. The material substance of bread, and similarly the material substance of wine, remain in the sacrament of the altar.
[Cf. with FC 7.37: *In the Holy Supper the two substances, the natural bread and the true natural body of Christ, are present together here upon earth in the appointed administration of the Sacrament.]
  1. The accidents of bread do not remain without their subject in the said sacrament.
[Cf. FC 7.108: *[We reject]… that the consecrated or blessed bread and wine in the Holy Supper lose entirely their substance and essence, and are changed into the substance of the body and blood of Christ in such a way that only the mere form of bread and wine is left, or accidentia sine subiecto…]
ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/CONSTANC.HTM

The point is not so much what the Lutheran belief is called whether it be consubstantiation or sacramental union. The two relevant points to this discussion are that (1) sacramental union is a philosophical construct just as much as transubstantiation, and (2) sacramental union is absolutely incompatible with transubstantiation since it teaches that the substance of bread remains in the sacrament. Besides the Formula of Concord, elsewhere in the confessions Luther rejected transubstantiation on the count that he believed Scripture said that bread remained in the sacrament after consecration.

As regards transubstantiation, we care nothing about the sophistical subtlety by which they teach that bread and wine leave or lose their own natural substance, and that there remain only the appearance and color of bread, and not true bread. For it is in perfect agreement with Holy Scriptures that there is, and remains, bread, as Paul himself calls it, 1 Cor. 10:16: The bread which we break. And 1 Cor. 11:28: Let him so eat of that bread.
(Smalcald Articles 3.6.5)
 
Another point that I said earlier, but perhaps bears repeating is that transubstantiation does not mean a “local” presence of Christ in the Eucharist. In fact, trasnsubstantiation is given as the rejection of a local presence of Christ in the Eucharist. St. Thomas addresses this question Book III of the Summa Theologiae.

Some have held that the substance of the bread and wine remains in this sacrament after the consecration. But this opinion cannot stand: first of all, because by such an opinion the truth of this sacrament is destroyed, to which it belongs that Christ’s true body exists in this sacrament; which indeed was not there before the consecration. Now a thing cannot be in any place, where it was not previously, except by change of place, or by the conversion of another thing into itself; just as fire begins anew to be in some house, either because it is carried thither, or because it is generated there. Now it is evident that Christ’s body does not begin to be present in this sacrament by local motion. First of all, because it would follow that it would cease to be in heaven: for what is moved locally does not come anew to some place unless it quit the former one. Secondly, because every body moved locally passes through all intermediary spaces, which cannot be said here. Thirdly, because it is not possible for one movement of the same body moved locally to be terminated in different places at the one time, whereas the body of Christ under this sacrament begins at the one time to be in several places. And consequently it remains that Christ’s body cannot begin to be anew in this sacrament except by change of the substance of bread into itself. But what is changed into another thing, no longer remains after such change. Hence the conclusion is that, saving the truth of this sacrament, the substance of the bread cannot remain after the consecration. III, 75, 2)ST

And later:

As stated above (1, ad 3; 3), Christ’s body is in this sacrament not after the proper manner of dimensive quantity, but rather after the manner of substance. But every body occupying a place is in the place according to the manner of dimensive quantity, namely, inasmuch as it is commensurate with the place according to its dimensive quantity. Hence it remains that Christ’s body is not in this sacrament as in a place, but after the manner of substance, that is to say, in that way in which substance is contained by dimensions; because the substance of Christ’s body succeeds the substance of bread in this sacrament: hence as the substance of bread was not locally under its dimensions, but after the manner of substance, so neither is the substance of Christ’s body. Nevertheless the substance of Christ’s body is not the subject of those dimensions, as was the substance of the bread: and therefore the substance of the bread was there locally by reason of its dimensions, because it was compared with that place through the medium of its own dimensions; but the substance of Christ’s body is compared with that place through the medium of foreign dimensions, so that, on the contrary, the proper dimensions of Christ’s body are compared with that place through the medium of substance; which is contrary to the notion of a located body.

Hence in no way is Christ’s body locally in this sacrament.
III, 76, 5)ST
 
I think one question that has to be answered is how far can someone depart from the foundations common to all traditional Christian metaphysical worldviews. Can someone deliberately reject the idea of substance and accident and still be a Christian?
 
When Lutherans reject the term “consubstantiation” because they reject a “local inclusion” of Christ’s body or a combination into a third substance, they are arguing against a strawman.
Exactly.
The word consubstantiation merely refers to the simultaneous existence of the two substances of bread and Christ’s body, not that they are hypostatically united or that Christ’s body is present in the bread locally. The term consubstantiation indicates that the substance of bread remains after consecration in opposition to transubstantiation in which the substance of bread is truly converted into the substance of Christ’s body, such that the substance of bread no longer remains.
Exactly. I have never, before taken part of this discussion, heard anyone describe consubstantiation as ‘local inclusion’ (physical as you could mingle peanut butter and jam) or as a ‘mixture’ (making a ‘3rd substance’).
The point is not so much what the Lutheran belief is called whether it be consubstantiation or sacramental union.
Yes, yes.
The two relevant points to this discussion are that (1) sacramental union is a philosophical construct just as much as transubstantiation,
Yes, yes.
and (2) sacramental union is absolutely incompatible with transubstantiation since it teaches that the substance of bread remains in the sacrament.
Yes, yes.
Besides the Formula of Concord, elsewhere in the confessions Luther rejected transubstantiation on the count that he believed Scripture said that bread remained in the sacrament after consecration………
Luckily for me, the Smalcald Articles are not binding.
I think one question that has to be answered is how far can someone depart from the foundations common to all traditional Christian metaphysical worldviews. Can someone deliberately reject the idea of substance and accident and still be a Christian?
I do not think so. But not necessarily because it is in Scripture. It is because it is part of Tradition, but most of all because it is true, and because God desires not only that we be saved, but that we come to knowledge of the truth.
 
Can someone deliberately reject the idea of substance and accident and still be a Christian?
I’m nor sure about rejecting the various proposed explanations, but If a Lutheran proclaims Christ’s words “This is my body.” without dabbling into philosophies, he’ll be in company with many Lutherans, or at the minimum - at least in Christ’s company.

When confronted with various theories on the Eucharist, Luther confronted those that would reduce it by (allegedly) carving out Word of Our Lord into the table and pointing to it:

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/uploads/pics/zwing.1_01.jpg

While Luther’s actions were bit bombastic, the Lutherans I know would claim that it’s best to rely on God’s word and not our own.

As for myself, the various explanations are exciting and good for intellectual curiosity and temporarily internet debates, but it’s only His Word that gives me and my family steady assurance.
 
…without dabbling into philosophies…
But that is exactly the point here. Everytime a person argues about themes including reality, existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language, he is ‘dabbling into philosophies.’
 
=QNDNNDQDCE;12170289]When Lutherans reject the term “consubstantiation” because they reject a “local inclusion” of Christ’s body or a combination into a third substance, they are arguing against a strawman.
It is only a strawman in terms of the Calvinist accusation of said against us.
What Catholic author who described Lutheran eucharistic teaching as consubstantiation has claimed that it means that Lutherans believe in a local inclusion of Christ’s body? Perhaps Reformed writers make this accusation since they falsely make the same accusation against the doctrine of transubstantiation, but Catholics do not reject the word on the count that Reformed authors misunderstand and misrepresent what it signifies.
No one here has made the statement that the CC made initial accusation. It was the Calvinists that did so. And the response of Lutheran theologians from the earliest moments has been uniform: that Lutherans reject the term and meaning of consubstantiation.

John Gerhard:
When we confess that we believe in the true, real, and substantial presence of the body (and blood) of Christ, in no way do we imagine either an impanation or consubstantiation or a physical confinement or a local presence or the hiding of a particle underneath the bread or the conversion of the essence of the bread into the body or the permanent joining of the body to the bread outside the use of the supper or a personal union of the bread and the body.
The word consubstantiation merely refers to the simultaneous existence of the two substances of bread and Christ’s body, not that they are hypostatically united or that Christ’s body is present in the bread locally. The term consubstantiation indicates that the substance of bread remains after consecration in opposition to transubstantiation in which the substance of bread is truly converted into the substance of Christ’s body, such that the substance of bread no longer remains.
I would contend that the term consubstantiation does include those things - local co-existence, local inclusion, etc. It is exactly what we were charged of, using those terms, and exactly what Lutheran theologians have argued against for centuries.
Here is a Reformed definition, from Richard Muller, Dictionary of Latin and Greek Theological Terms
According to the theory of consubstantiation, the body and blood of Christ become substantially present together with the substance of the bread and wine, when the elements are consecrated. This theory is frequently confused with the Lutheran doctrine of real presence. Consubstantio indicates the presence of Christ’s body according to a unique sacramental mode of presence that is proper to Christ’s body as such, and is therefore a local presence (praesentia localis, q.v.); the Lutheran view, however, argues a real, but illocal presence of Christ’s body and blood that is grounded in the omnipresence of Christ’s person, and therefore a supernatural and sacramental, rather than a local, union with the invisible elements of the sacrament….Consubstantio implies only a presence and not a union of Christ and the sacramental elements; it was taught as a possibility by Duns Scotus, John of Jandun, and William of Occam.
At no point, ever, in Lutheran history, is the term consubstantiation, or its meaning, reflected here by Muller, or any other meaning proposed anywhere, accepted as Lutheran teaching.

I have listed perhaps ten Lutheran theologians, spanning 5 centuries, each of which has rejected and condemned the doctrine of consubstantiation
The point is not so much what the Lutheran belief is called whether it be consubstantiation or sacramental union. The two relevant points to this discussion are that (1) sacramental union is a philosophical construct just as much as transubstantiation, and (2) sacramental union is absolutely incompatible with transubstantiation since it teaches that the substance of bread remains in the sacrament. Besides the Formula of Concord, elsewhere in the confessions Luther rejected transubstantiation on the count that he believed Scripture said that bread remained in the sacrament after consecration.
I would agree that these are the relevant point.
On 1) While it may or may not be a philosophical construct, its meaning has to be understood beyond that. In most cases, the statement is clear:
Of the Sacrament of the Altar we hold that bread and wine in the Supper are the true body and blood of Christ, and are given and received not only by the godly, but also by wicked Christians. Smalcald

The bread IS His body, the wine IS His blood, as He said.
  1. Whether or not SU is compatible with Transubstantiation seems to be a point of dialogue, and any absolutism on the point would be up to our mutual leaderships.
Jon
 
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