Lutheran Body Says It Is Not Bigoted Toward Catholics

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“The papacy claim to speak with an authority – even infallibility – that was equal to or surpassing the Word of God itself,” he explains. “By doing so, it put itself in a position of being ‘anti’ or ‘in place of’ Christ.”

This guy doesn’t know that the bible is a product of the church, it didn’t fall from the sky. The church came before the bible, not the other way around. Christianity is a religion of the Word made flesh and not the book, like Islam.

You would think with the Internet and the availability of the writings of the church fathers that this heresy would have diminished by now. It’s unbelievable that these people still believe in this.
 
This guy doesn’t know that the bible is a product of the church, it didn’t fall from the sky. The church came before the bible, not the other way around. Christianity is a religion of the Word made flesh and not the book, like Islam.

You would think with the Internet and the availability of the writings of the church fathers that this heresy would have diminished by now. It’s unbelievable that these people still believe in this.
There was only Tradition for the first three hundred years-then Catholics wrote and confirmed the content of Holy Scripture.

The Sequence:Christ’s Incarnation-His Founding of His Catholic Church replete with mass and the Eucharist on the the cornerstone of Peter.His guarantee that it shall never fall.The efficacy of the Sacraments-Holy Tradition which spread the Word.Ten came Holy Scripture which was ratified by the Catholic Church.Holy Scripture does NOT supercede nor contradict Holy Tradition.

Pentecost (30/33AD)
The beginning of the Church; the Church exists before a determination of a canon or a definitive list of books of what was later called the Bible. The NT was not even written yet. The Bible is the book of the Church, we are not a church of the Bible.
Melito, Bishop of Sardis (c. 170)
Produced the first known Christian attempt at an Old Testament canon. His list maintains the Septuagint order of books but contains only the Old Testament protocanonicals minus the Book of Esther.
Council of Laodicea (c. 360)
A local council of the church in union with Rome produced a list of books of the Bible similar to the Council of Trent’s canon. This was one of the Church’s earliest decisions on a canon.
Council of Rome (382)
Local church council under the authority of Pope Damasus, (366-384) gave a complete list of canonical books of the OT and NT which is identical with the list later approved by the Council of Trent.
Council of Hippo (393)
Local North African Church council in union with and under the authority of the Bishop of Rome approved a list of OT and NT canon (same as later approved by the Council of Trent)
Council of Carthage (397)
Local North African Church council in union with and under the authority of the Bishop of Rome approved a list of OT and NT canon (same as later approved by the Council of Trent)
Pope Innocent I, Bishop of Rome, 401-417 (405)
Responded to a request by Exuperius, Bishop of Toulouse, with a list of canonical books of Scripture; this list was the same as later approved by the Council of Trent.
Council of Carthage (419)

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Local North African Church council in union with and under the authority of the Bishop of Rome approved a list of OT and NT canon (same as later approved by the Council of Trent)
Council of Florence, an ecumenical council (1441)
Complete list of OT and NT canon was drawn up; this list later adopted by the Fathers of the Council of Trent
Council of Trent, an ecumenical council called to respond to the heresy of the Reformers (1545-1563)
The canon of OT and NT received final definitions: 46 books in the OT; 27 in the NT; “Henceforth the books of the OT and the NT, protocanonical and deuterocanonical alike, in their entirety and with all their parts, comprise the canon and are held to be of equal authority.” The ancient Vulgate edition of the Bible was called the authoritative edition of the Bible.
Vatican I Council (1869-1870)
Reaffirmed the decree of Trent. The Church holds the books of Holy Scripture as sacred and canonical, not because she subsequently approved them, nor because they contain revelation without error, but precisely because “having been written by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, they have God as their author and, as such, they have been handed down to the Church itself.”
rg/ap031Providentissimus Deus (1893), Pope Leo XIII, Bishop of Rome, 1878-1903
Inaugurated a new era in Roman Catholic biblical studies. Presented a plan for biblical study; Defined inspiration: “By supernatural power God so moved and impelled the human authors to write - he so assisted them in writing - that the things he ordered and those only they first rightly understood, then willed faithfully to write and finally expressed in apt words and with infallible truth.”
Pascendi Dominica Gregis (1907), Pope Pius X, Bishop of Rome, 1903-1914
Refuted the errors of the Modernists; Scored erroneous teaching on the origin and nature of the Sacred Books, on inspiration; on the distinction between the purely human Christ of history and the divine Christ of faith; on the origin and growth of the Scriptures.
Spiritus Paraclitus (1920), Pope Benedict XV, Bishop of Rome, 1914-1922
Commends modern critical methods in biblical studies. All biblical interpretation rests upon the literal sense. Goal of biblical studies is to learn spiritual perfection, to arm oneself to defend the faith, to preach the word of God fruitfully.
Divino Afflante Spiritus (1943), Pope Pius XII, Bishop of Rome, 1939-1958
Permitted scholars to use original text of Scriptures. No claim was made that the Vulgate is always an accurate translation, but that it is free from any errors in faith or morals. The scholar must be principally concerned with the literal sense of the Scriptures; search out and expound the spiritual sense; avoid other figurative senses. Literary criticism should be employed. Stated that there are but few texts whose sense was determined by the authority of the Church (only seven biblical passages have been definitively interpreted in defending traditional doctrine and morals–Jn 3:5, Lk 22:19, 1 Cor 11:24, Jn 20:22, Jn 20:23, Rom 5:12, Ja 5: 14); this counteracts the frequent misunderstanding that Catholics have no freedom interpreting the Scriptures.
Humani Generis (1950), Pope Pius XII, Bishop of Rome, 1939 - 1958
Instructs scholars on evolution, polygenism and OT historical narratives
Vatican II Council (1962-1965)
The decree, On Divine Revelation, declares that there is one source of Divine Revelation, Jesus Christ; that there are two modes of handing on revelation: Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition : “in a certain way merge into a unity and tend toward the same end,” and “it is not from sacred Scripture alone that the Church draws her certainty about everything that has been revealed.” Concerning Inerrancy of Scripture: "The Books of Scripture must be acknowledged as teaching firmly, faithfully, and without error that truth which God wanted put into the sacred writings for the sake of our salvation. "Emphasized that “in order to see what God wanted to communicate in Scripture, we must investigate the intention of the sacred author, and one way to do this is by paying attention to the literary form employed by the sacred writer.”
catholicapologetics.o100.htm
 
“By doing so, it put itself in a position
of being ‘anti’ or ‘in place of’ Christ.”

some NT lexicon entries for antichrist:
[Fri] antichrist - as an **opponent **of Christ antichrist (1J 2.18b); as a proper noun for Christ’s **adversary **in the end-times Antichrist (1J 2.18 a)

[UBS] antichrist - Antichrist (of one who claims to be Christ or is **opposed **to Christ)

[Thayer] antichrist (anti, **against **and Cristos, like antitheos - **opposing **God, in Philo de somn. l. ii. sec. 27, etc., Justin, quaest. et resp., p. 463 c. and other Fathers; (see Sophocles’ Lexicon, under the word, cf. Trench, sec. xxx.)), the **adversary **of the Messiah, a most pestilent being…John, the only writer in the N. T. who uses it (five times); he employs it of the corrupt power and influence **hostile **to Christian interests

[BDAG] - antichrist, **adversary **of the Messiah to appear in the last days

anti as a preposition means ‘in place of’ or ‘for’ like in John 1:16 ‘grace for grace’
BUT anti- complexed to a verb mostly means ‘stand against + verb’, ‘resist+verb’
'adversary to + verb, ‘opposition to + verb’ NOT ‘in place of + verb’

antichrist is NOT a person or office that stands in PLACE of Christ
but antichrist is a person that RESISTS, or opposes Christ.
When has any Pope stood in resistance to Christ or opposed him,
or hasn’t confessed that Jesus is the Christ??

not that I am one, but where’d WELS get its scholars/profs??? :confused:
What grammars are they reading from? By just scoping out some of
the major NT lexicons its obvious they don’t know what they are talking about.
 
some NT lexicon entries for antichrist:
[Fri] antichrist - as an **opponent **of Christ antichrist (1J 2.18b); as a proper noun for Christ’s **adversary **in the end-times Antichrist (1J 2.18 a)

[UBS] antichrist - Antichrist (of one who claims to be Christ or is **opposed **to Christ)

[Thayer] antichrist (anti, **against **and Cristos, like antitheos - **opposing **God, in Philo de somn. l. ii. sec. 27, etc., Justin, quaest. et resp., p. 463 c. and other Fathers; (see Sophocles’ Lexicon, under the word, cf. Trench, sec. xxx.)), the **adversary **of the Messiah, a most pestilent being…John, the only writer in the N. T. who uses it (five times); he employs it of the corrupt power and influence **hostile **to Christian interests

[BDAG] - antichrist, **adversary **of the Messiah to appear in the last days

anti as a preposition means ‘in place of’ or ‘for’ like in John 1:16 ‘grace for grace’
BUT anti- complexed to a verb mostly means ‘stand against + verb’, ‘resist+verb’
'adversary to + verb, ‘opposition to + verb’ NOT ‘in place of + verb’

antichrist is NOT a person or office that stands in PLACE of Christ
but antichrist is a person that RESISTS, or opposes Christ.
When has any Pope stood in resistance to Christ or opposed him,
or hasn’t confessed that Jesus is the Christ??

not that I am one, but where’d WELS get its scholars/profs??? :confused:
What grammars are they reading from? By just scoping out some of
the major NT lexicons its obvious they don’t know what they are talking about.
No kidding.👍
 
All of the Lutherans I know, and I know many of them because I grew up in the Lutheran church, are very decent, hard-working, God-fearing people. Lutheran ministers are quite well educated, and I would be very surprised if Rev. Schroeder (who is the head of the Wisconsin Synod, not some “poor soul”) did not understand perfectly well what “infallibility” means in a Catholic context. And he’s actually right that “many” Catholics are saved, because “many” (hopefully) are–but not all.
If he understood (and I mean truly understand) infallibility, he would become Catholic ASAP. The very fact that he is not a Catholic shows he does not understand.
 
I know this may seem simplistic, but I still believe it holds true. If everyone on the planet truly understood the Catholic faith, and if they understood Jesus by viewing Him through the Catholic faith, then everyone on the planet would be Catholic (even atheists woould convert).

I am a firm believer that everyone in Heaven is a Catholic–by that I am saying everyone in Heaven knows the fullness of truth (and more obviously) as the Catholic faith holds, which means everyone in Heaven looks upon Jesus as their Lord, Savior and God–and they view Mary as their Spiritual Mother, etc.
 
I know this may seem simplistic, but I still believe it holds true. If everyone on the planet truly understood the Catholic faith, and if they understood Jesus by viewing Him through the Catholic faith, then everyone on the planet would be Catholic (even atheists woould convert).

I am a firm believer that everyone in Heaven is a Catholic–by that I am saying everyone in Heaven knows the fullness of truth (and more obviously) as the Catholic faith holds, which means everyone in Heaven looks upon Jesus as their Lord, Savior and God–and they view Mary as their Spiritual Mother, etc.
Both of your posts are the unvarnished stark Truth.St.Maximilian Kolbe said he had no choice but to submit to the Truth,that is Catholicism.Thank you for your posts.They made my heart sing.🙂
 
Both of your posts are the unvarnished stark Truth.St.Maximilian Kolbe said he had no choice but to submit to the Truth,that is Catholicism.Thank you for your posts.They made my heart sing.🙂
Thank you very much! 👍
 
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