Lutheran church-Missori Synod/ Close to Catholic

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I spent some time in an LCMS congregation before “returning home.” The official teaching is that Christ is present in the bread and wine, and it is through the words of institution by the minister, not through the “faith” of the congregation, that this takes place.

After Communion, the remaining wine must be drank or poured into the ground, the non-used wafers must be stored in a sacred, safe place. Since they have already been consecrated, they must be stored and not thrown out.

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RedGolum:
Now that is very interesting! The LCMS is involved in some talks, but this is the first I heard of that subject. Any documentation?
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zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=77155
 
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“We concede to the papacy that they sit in the true Church, possessing the office instituted by Christ and inherited from the apostles, to teach, baptize, administer the sacrament, absolve, ordain, etc., just as the Jews sat in their synagogues or assemblies and were the regularly established priesthood and authority of the Church.”
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:hmmm: Anybody know who’s mouth that came out of? 😉
 
Read the article, and I do remember this when it first came out. Had a rather lengthy dicussion on another forum about it.

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Not sure what it will say. And the fact the LWF is leading the charge concerns me.
 
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Shibboleth:
The LC-MS is having their problems to be sure but that is because of their separatist mindset. My best guess is that you will end up with a split with two Synods claiming to be the LC-MS. One will be far more stringent and accuse the other of being non-Confessional and the other will say that they are being un-Christ-like.
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You’re an optimist. At this point I think it’ll go this way : part to ELCA, part to retain the use of “Missouri”, part to make at least 2 new synods, and the really whacked out few to cause trouble between all of them because no one knows what group they’re really in. 🙂 And everyone pointing fingers.
Honestly though I don’t know why the one party doesn’t just join WELS?
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The office of the ministry. WELS includes teachers with pastors. (short version) Also, WELS had issues with the abuses of close communion that were going on in the 1960s (when they separated) that are still going on…
Not that the ELCA is in any better condition. When the verdict finally gets passed down on Homosexual ministers it will cause a schism of that I have little doubt…
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Carl Braaten hit the nail on the head with the letter he wrote. However, I don’t think it’ll be that big because there are already those who left ELCA and started a new synod.
Within the next few years people will be longing for the time when the biggest problem in the Lutheran Church was what color hymnal to use.
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:yup: Actually, I think those days are already here.😦
The Lutheran World Federation and the Catholic Church are trying to hammer out another statement like the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification but in this instance it will be on the subject of Holy Orders.
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Thanks, hadn’t heard yet what the talks were about. lcms.org leaves a lot to be desired.
 
JSmitty2005 said:
:hmmm: Anybody know who’s mouth that came out of? 😉
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:rotfl: I bet you do 😃
orlutheran.com/html/mlsermjoh1526-1604-2.html
later in the same sermon:
  1. Thus we say to the papists: We grant you, indeed, the name and office, and regard these as holy and precious, for the office is not yours, but has been established by Christ and given to the Church without regard for and distinction of the persons who occupy it. Therefore, whatever is exercised through this office as the institution of Christ, and in his name and that of the Church, is at all times right and proper, even though ungodly and unbelieving men may participate. We must distinguish between the office and the person exercising it, between rightful use and abuse. The name of God and of Christ is always holy in itself; but it may be abused and blasphemed. So also, the office of the Church is holy and precious, but the person occupying it may be accursed and belong to the devil. Therefore, we cannot decide according to the office who are true or false Christians, and which is the true or false Church.
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And I don’t blame your wife for leaving the LC-MS, they are separatists and have no wish for ecumenism. I doubt there is a more anti-Catholic Synod in America.
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Actually, the WELS (Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod) and the ELS (Evangelical Lutheran Synod) are so far more “conservative” than the LCMS as to be unbelievable.

Blessings,
 
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Within the next few years people will be longing for the time when the biggest problem in the Lutheran Church was what color hymnal to use.
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The green one of course. 😉
 
David Zampino:
Actually, the WELS (Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod) and the ELS (Evangelical Lutheran Synod) are so far more “conservative” than the LCMS as to be unbelievable.

Blessings,
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I have my son in a WELS private school just because I know that they will teach him sound doctrine for the most part and won’t stray too far into areas that could be detrimental to his Faith.

Yes they are more conservative and for a while were actually making people that were not members of the Church get up and leave during communion. But, in the discourses that I have had with WELS parishioners and clergy they don’t have the same negative attitudes about certain Churches that the LC-MS displays. They certainly do not approve of their doctrines or behavior but they do not define themselves by how they differ from those Synods.
 
TinaK said:
:rotfl: I bet you do 😃
orlutheran.com/html/mlsermjoh1526-1604-2.html
later in the same sermon:
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Yah but this was the catcher to his Proof if you will…
  1. If they excommunicate and persecute us because of our evangelical preaching and our knowledge of Christ, we **already have the decision of Christ that they are not the true Church, and their office and all the authority of which they boast cannot avail against us; ** that rather our teaching and judgments against them shall avail before God in heaven. We are certain, by reason of the test which Christ here applies, that the true Church is with the few who know Christ
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