Lutheran communion is supposted to be the "real presence"

[OKComputer]

I never knew the difference. Thank you!

 

[dochawk]

It is supposed to be consumed at mass, no more consecrated than can be used then and there,

This is true for RC, too, although observed more in the breach than practice . . . (aside from the reserved sacrament. But this bit of having hundreds or thousands of extras consecrated in the tabernacle because someone filled the chalice is not correct).

hawk

 

[dochawk]

For the sake of argument, imagine a male Scandi Lutheran priest ordained by a male bishop who was ordained by a male and so on. Would that fullfill your technical requirement?

That alone wouldn’t even come close.

At each ordination, the consecrating bishop would have had to have had the proper understanding, intent, and form. A bishop who thinks that ordaining a woman creates a priest is not capable of conferring orders to anyone.

And I’d be shocked if the form lasted much, if any, longer in Scandinavia than England–and the same for the understanding.

hawk

 

[SnowRose]

Currently iirc here you are not allowed to be ordained if you hold the belief than you must be male to be a priest, not sure if the Anglicans insist on the same thing.
As for following proper RC form I guess our caring about that went out the window half a millennium ago.

shrug
As I quoted from the Vatican site, the view of the Real Presence at the Eucharist is so similar between our denominations that you need to be a theologian with a thing for metaphysics to find a difference. Tomahto/tomayto.

That does not in any way mean the actual celebration is seen as equivalent. There are other sincere differances that prevent full communion, from both sides. The view of sacramental ordination/laity is definitely one of those.
But we were talking about the Real Presence, not reenacting the Reformation.

(I’m not at CAF to pick a fight, I’m just doing research for life with RC inlaws).

 

[TheOldColonel]

You might as well ask Heaven what it sees.

 

[dochawk]

As for following proper RC form I guess our caring about that went out the window half a millennium ago.

Yes, I would assume so
I’m simply pointing out that the RC doesn’t see your bishops as bishops, but as lay leaders, for this reason.

As I quoted from the Vatican site, the view of the Real Presence at the Eucharist is so similar between our denominations that you need to be a theologian with a thing for metaphysics to find a difference. Tomahto/tomayto.

Yes–and I think that’s been the case since Luther.

• He Is present by transubstantiation/He Is present because he promised
• Salvation by faith and works, but only works driven by faith / Salvation by faith alone, but faith will always lead to works.

And so on.

hawk

 

[twf]

They may have had apostolic succession much longer and much more recently than other Protestant bodies.

 

[JanSobieskiIII]

I’ll grant that. But no longer.

 

[Kei]

The sure confection of the Eucharist is done by a valid priest in Apostolic succession.

 

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This is from the Lutheran Service Book Divine Service 1. This will be the official order of service for the LCMS for the next 20 years or so.