Lutheran Missouri Synod

[Stylteralmaldo]

We maintain that the bread and the wine in the Supper are the true body and blood of Christ.

I have heard of Consubstantiation, but I’m not sure what it means. The LCMS doesn’t use the word. Perhaps it is a word someone else used to describe thier understanding of Lutheran beliefs.

It is my understanding that Lutherans see that Christ is in the bread. I think the terminology is “in, within, under”.

Consubstantiation teaches that Jesus is co-mingled with the bread and wine.

Lutherans teach that Jesus is in the bread and wine…but not co-mingled with it.

I think that is the distinction. Someone can correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Catholicious]

Angainor:

Close enough. We use different terminology, and I added a phrase. According to Lutherans, anyone can consecrate the sacrament, but only Pastors are allowed to.

Two: The Sacrament of the Altar and Baptism. We have Confirmation and of course Matrimony, but those are not sacramental.I have heard of “Catholic Lite”. I don’t use it. I suppose from a distance Lutherans look like Catholics with a bunch of what might be called “extras” cut away. In reality I don’t think it is particularly descriptive.

This is what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says about the Eucharist:

CCC 1411: Only validly ordained priests can preside at the Eucharist and consecrate the bread and the wine so that they become the Body and Blood of the Lord.

CCC 1412: The essential signs of the Eucharistic sacrament are wheat bread and grape wine, on which the blessing of the Holy Spirit is invoked and the priest pronounces the words of consecration spoken by Jesus during the Last Supper: “This is my body which will be given up for you. . . . This is the cup of my blood. . . .”

The CCC uses the words “can consecrate” which I take to mean “have the ability to consecrate” but of course we differ there.

Okay, so you too have heard the term “Catholic Lite” too, yes it is not too helpful but it does give one an idea of what to expect.

So the LCMS does not have Reconciliation [aka Confession or Penance] to a pastor of any kind?

Peace,
Catholicious

 

[stinkcat_14]

I have known some very kind, very devout LCMS members, so my experience of them as individuals has been overwhelmingly positive. However, before I came back to the Catholic Church, I looked into the LCMS and their statement on the papacy convinced me that theirs was not the true church.

On the other hand, it seems that the really anti-catholic branch of lutheranism is the WELS: Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod.

 

[Angainor]

Catholicious:

The CCC uses the words “can consecrate” which I take to mean “have the ability to consecrate” but of course we differ there.

Yes, we do differ here. This is probably in the top 5 most significant differences.

So the LCMS does not have Reconciliation [aka Confession or Penance]
to a pastor of any kind?

A congragational (group) confessional is an important part of the church service.

 

[Cindy]

Hi kp1,

I just wanted to recommend a book: There We Stood, Here We Stand, edited by Timothy Drake. It’s a collection of conversion stories, all by former Lutherans who converted to the Catholic faith. (The contributors are from the ELCA, Wisconsin and Missouri Synods.) It’s available through the Coming Home Network at www.chnetwork.org. Might be helpful.

God bless!

Cindy