Lutheran Missouri Synod

  • Thread starter Thread starter mveit7175
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
M

mveit7175

Guest
I have a friend who volunteers with me in pro-life work, but he and his wife are very anti-catholic. They are very conservative Missouri Synod Lutherans, and Martin Luther is their spiritual “hero” of the reformation. Are there any good book recommendations on Martin Luther and the reformation that I could read and discuss with them? I think I remember something published by either Ignatius Press or from the Coming Home Network, but I can’t seem to find them online. Also, I think I remember a book of conversion stories of Lutheran’s who became Catholic, but I can’t remember the title.

Update I just found the book title I was looking for! “There We Stood, Here We Stand : Eleven Lutherans Rediscover Their Catholic Roots” by Tim Drake.
 
mveit7175 said:
I have a friend who volunteers with me in pro-life work, but he and his wife are very anti-catholic. They are very conservative Missouri Synod Lutherans, and Martin Luther is their spiritual “hero” of the reformation. Are there any good book recommendations on Martin Luther and the reformation that I could read and discuss with them? I think I remember something published by either Ignatius Press or from the Coming Home Network, but I can’t seem to find them online. Also, I think I remember a book of conversion stories of Lutheran’s who became Catholic, but I can’t remember the title.
Click to expand...
I wish both of you great joy working together in your pro-life work. That the sanctity of life has brought you two friends together despite your church differences is a blessing.

If you want to underhand the Luther and the Lutheran Church - I would first recommend Luther’s Large Catechism: bookofconcord.org/lc-1-intro.php
 
mveit7175 said:
I have a friend who volunteers with me in pro-life work, but he and his wife are very anti-catholic. They are very conservative Missouri Synod Lutherans, and Martin Luther is their spiritual “hero” of the reformation. Are there any good book recommendations on Martin Luther and the reformation that I could read and discuss with them? I think I remember something published by either Ignatius Press or from the Coming Home Network, but I can’t seem to find them online. Also, I think I remember a book of conversion stories of Lutheran’s who became Catholic, but I can’t remember the title.

Update I just found the book title I was looking for! “There We Stood, Here We Stand : Eleven Lutherans Rediscover Their Catholic Roots” by Tim Drake.
Click to expand...
There We Stood, Here we Stand is an excellent book and a quick easy read.
It’s nice you know the Synod and I might recall that book had more conversion stories
from ELCA Lutherans to the Catholic Faith but I could be wrong. It’s still a good book.

Blessings, the LCMS here where my friend is Pastor works is extremely anti Catholic
in doctrine but very nice people and very pro life.

Good look towards a better understanding…

Mary.
 
LCMS still claims that the Papacy is anti-Christ. Good people, but really…
 
just_came_back said:
LCMS still claims that the Papacy is anti-Christ. Good people, but really…
Click to expand...
AUTHORITY is the key difference. The Bible is the sole rule and norm of Faith ALONE,
Sola Scripura etc is not taught by the Catholic Church as ALONE being the Biblical understanding of the Church. All other doctrine flows from there.

If a LCMS parishioner realizes this doctrine is in erorr they will cease to be Lutheran or Protestant and become Catholic.

That said I have a very good Lutheran LCMS Pastor friend and I learnd A LOT from him.

It’s more fun to talk about the issues we have in common like infant Baptism, moral issues,
etc but it’s more important in my opinion to discuss where we digress to work towards some better understanding of each other.

Thus as you see “pro life” alone does not at all implicate a remote sense of unity with those indoctrinated by the Lutheran Confessions. That is too bad in some ways for you would think the value of LIFE as Given by God would be enough to have some sense of respect
for the Church. But als, here it does not.

I would only agree to read Luther’s Small Catechism if they agreed to read some of the official doctrine in the CCC. Most LCMS persons have studied a lot about Catholicism first and feel
they have a good understanding of it but they don’t.
 
just_came_back said:
LCMS still claims that the Papacy is anti-Christ. Good people, but really…
Click to expand...
Yeah. Seriously good people. It is to them I can most especially see the “through no fault of their own”.

There is just so much indoctrination of the “evilness” of the papcy and the Catholic Church that it can be hard to get around.
 
MaryT777 said:
There We Stood, Here we Stand is an excellent book and a quick easy read.
It’s nice you know the Synod and I might recall that book had more conversion stories
from ELCA Lutherans to the Catholic Faith but I could be wrong. It’s still a good book.

Blessings, the LCMS here where my friend is Pastor works is extremely anti Catholic
in doctrine but very nice people and very pro life.

Good look towards a better understanding…

Mary.
Click to expand...
How are they “anti-Catholic” in doctrine?
 
mveit7175 said:
I have a friend who volunteers with me in pro-life work, but he and his wife are very anti-catholic. They are very conservative Missouri Synod Lutherans, and Martin Luther is their spiritual “hero” of the reformation. Are there any good book recommendations on Martin Luther and the reformation that I could read and discuss with them? I think I remember something published by either Ignatius Press or from the Coming Home Network, but I can’t seem to find them online. Also, I think I remember a book of conversion stories of Lutheran’s who became Catholic, but I can’t remember the title.

Update I just found the book title I was looking for! “There We Stood, Here We Stand : Eleven Lutherans Rediscover Their Catholic Roots” by Tim Drake.
Click to expand...
Roland Bainton’s Here I Stand is as good a place as any to start, along with the Small and Large Catechisms, in the Book of Concord.

amazon.com/Stand-Martin-Luther-Classic-Reprint/dp/B008YA0JG8/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1364773472&sr=1-1&keywords=Here+I+stand

bookofconcord.org/

Jon
 
Jon,
the OP will have to rent a crane to pick up that book of Concord LOL…
of course the CCC is none to brief !!!🙂
Mary.
 
Gaelic_Bard said:
How are they “anti-Catholic” in doctrine?
Click to expand...
I personally have no idea if they have anti-catholic doctrine.

But I know that the people have very anti-catholic views. Including a woman who used to be my friend. She was a fallen away Catholic who was finding her way home. Husband was Lutheran. They moved away from the area, had started attending a Missouri Synod Lutheran Church and suddenly the Catholic Church was completely out of the question because of its evil teachings.

Complete 180 of trying to figure out how to start attending the Catholic Church again to not.

Every person I have met who was that denomination treats the Catholic Church like the Whore of Babylon.
 
mveit7175 said:
I have a friend who volunteers with me in pro-life work, but he and his wife are very anti-catholic. They are very conservative Missouri Synod Lutherans, and Martin Luther is their spiritual “hero” of the reformation. Are there any good book recommendations on Martin Luther and the reformation that I could read and discuss with them? I think I remember something published by either Ignatius Press or from the Coming Home Network, but I can’t seem to find them online. Also, I think I remember a book of conversion stories of Lutheran’s who became Catholic, but I can’t remember the title.

Update I just found the book title I was looking for! “There We Stood, Here We Stand : Eleven Lutherans Rediscover Their Catholic Roots” by Tim Drake.
Click to expand...
The book recommended by this article…catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0097.html
 
And before I get my chops busted over it, yes my experience is limited to personal. Yes there is a good possibility that not everyone is like that but that it could just be the Missouri synod in my town. And the one other Missouri synod in a different state.
 
MariaG said:
And before I get my chops busted over it, yes my experience is limited to personal. Yes there is a good possibility that not everyone is like that but that it could just be the Missouri synod in my town. And the one other Missouri synod in a different state.
Click to expand...
On behalf of my synod, as much as I can given that I’m just a lay person, may I apologize for our behavior.

We can be quite sure of ourselves; And sometimes it doesn’t show up as a vigorous admonition of the Gospel like it should.
 
benjohnson said:
On behalf of my synod, as much as I can given that I’m just a lay person, may I apologize for our behavior.

We can be quite sure of ourselves; And sometimes it doesn’t show up as a vigorous admonition of the Gospel like it should.
Click to expand...
:tiphat: thanks. I appreciate that. And I can now say that maybe my experience is completely personal. That possibly it is not a widespread thing that they think the Catholic Church is the whore of Babylon.
 
Converts tend to be the most vociferous critics of their previous affiliation. They do not necessarily reflect the views of their current denomination. If anything, they tend to exaggerate them.
 
Oldtimer_7 said:
Converts tend to be the most vociferous critics of their previous affiliation. They do not necessarily reflect the views of their current denomination. If anything, they tend to exaggerate them.
Click to expand...
Just look at all the Ultramontane Mediaevalists in the ordinariate, for one example.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top