Thanks for clarifying. Though I am curious about this, while I understand now that this is not a Lutheran belief… what branch of Christianity does believe this and what exactly does it mean?
I’ve investigated the three major branches of Lutheranism (ELCA, LCMS, WELS) and I am of the opinion that WELS is the most conservative and ELCA as the most liberal. I place LCMS as somewhere in between those two, leaning moreso towards WELS.
I think it’s kinda a non den and baptist thing…but being a cradle Lutheran I don’t know for sure. I also can’t really explain where they justify this theology as it make as much sense to me as you.
Clear as mud!
I was raised Lutheran in a very strict church. It was the ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church in America), one of the “denominations” within the Lutheran church. I would have to disagree with the Eucharist being symbolic. I was taught that Christ is indeed present in the bread and wine. Yes, I said wine! In fact, my pastor drummed it into our heads that we could **not **take communion until we had been confirmed. I went through 3 years, every Sat. morning, of confirmation classes before I was finally confirmed on Pentecost when I was 15. I had never heard of purgatory, so I believe you are right on that point. Likewise, immaculate conception and the veneration of Mary was something else I was not raised with. I was baptised as an infant and the ELCA still practices infant baptism. I cannot speak for the others. And yes, the Bible used in the Lutheran church has 66 books, correct again!
More or less correct
again more or less correct though you will find verying degrees depends on what protestant group is in question. In reguard to Lutherans you have to look at their definition of what solo scriptura means.
That is incorrect Lutherans beleive in the real bodily presence of Christ in the Eucharist. they do not define it as transubstaniation thought.
Incorrect again. Lutherans do baptize there children as infants.
they are not extra books and the lutherans did not remove them they moved them to a seperate section. the removeal was done in the 1800’s by other Protestant publishers to save cost.
not entirely true. they do recognize that the soul is made clean,
don’t think so they just do not hold it as a matter of faith.
Lutheran are free to as for the intercession of the saint if they wish it is not taught one way or the other, to them it is again not a matter of the faith but a personnal choice.
No worries…It was so incorrect everyone kinda felt the need to speak up about it.
Hey, I’m in Colorado and a Lutheran, the weather is nice here. The Coffee thing is kinda true…Coffee and Donuts in the Fellowship Hall after the Service…Most differences are semantics, but there still are some that are theological. The Eucharist is both bread and wine and the body and blood of Christ in Lutheranism; Scripture is the main authority as it’s interpreted by bishops and the book of concord; Apostolic Succession is nice but not really important (unless you’re in Sweden); the pope is just another leader of Christianity, not necessarily of Christ’s Church; Marian Dogmas can be believed but aren’t necessary to be believed. Faith alone isn’t much of a problem anymore. I’m sure there are more. Differences in practice are mainly devotional prayers, and Mass isn’t mandatory. I’ve probably forgotten many differences though.
Note: this is for non-confessional Lutherans
Almost forgot, weather is terrible where Lutherans are. The only time of year with good weather is July. And you MUST drink coffee. NO exceptions.
I’m sorry, I forgot about the donuts and beer! My mistake.I am in sunny Silicon Valley of Northern California and there is no snow in the winter except the mountains. You wouldn’t be Lutheran if you didn’t drink coffee and beer. We also have coffee and donuts after the service in the parish hall.
Even in this, we have the greatest complaint about the abuses which grew up around Purgatory. I personally find Purgatory an interesting topic, in that we Lutherans do believe in a final purgation. So, therefore, there are teo issues: 1) the idea of an intermediate state/place, which lacks scriptural support, and 2) treasury of merits, indlugences, etc.
If you go to christforus.org/JDDJTenYearsLater.htm, you will find the reasons why the LC-MS didn’t sign.
The LCMS response did, too.If you go to christforus.org/JDDJTenYearsLater.htm, you will find the reasons why the LC-MS didn’t sign.
What it boils down to whether you want to agree to disagree. The Roman Church didn’t change anything in their view of Justification. The Lutherans who signed closed their eyes and held their nose and signed anyway.
