Lutherans & ad orientem

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hn160 said:
the passing of the peace.
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Is that a traditional Lutheran term? It makes me think of the times I’ve been to a Maronite Catholic church (sadly I’ve only been a handful of times) but I don’t think I’ve ever heard a Western use of it before now.
 
Just a quick comment on the two main altars in the Nidaros Cathedral, the northernmost medieval cathedral in the world.
The present cathedral has two principal altars. The one in the octagon at the east end of the chancel rests on the site of the medieval high altar which bore the silver reliquary casket containing the remains of St. Olav,[1] the church’s and the kingdom’s patron saint, and is designed to recall in marble sculpture the essential form of this reliquary casket. It replaces the previous baroque altar presently in Vår Frue Church. The second altar is in the crossing where the transept intersect the nave and the chancel. It bears a large modern silver crucifix inspired by the memory of a similar silver crucifix in the medieval church and was commissioned and paid for by Norwegian American emigrants in the early twentieth century. The medieval chapter house may also be used as a chapel for smaller groups of worshipers.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidaros_Cathedral
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There are large photos of the interior of the cathedral that I couldn’t post [don’t know how to resize them without losing the depth of the cathedral].
 
Anyone who was alive before Vatican II remember what the Mass was like. There is still some nostalgia for the old way which is still done in some Lutheran parishes in America and Europe.

The east-facing Mass as celebrated in this Lutheran church in Estonia and the modern Mass at St Luke’s Church in Colorado Springs.
 
I am Lutheran (confirmed ELCA) but really not familiar with this issue. I’ve heard of it, but have never studied it, and never attached any importance at all to it.
 
Izdaari said:
I am Lutheran (confirmed ELCA) but really not familiar with this issue. I’ve heard of it, but have never studied it, and never attached any importance at all to it.
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I am curious if you your parish has a free-standing altar?
 
Ad_Orientem said:
Do many Lutherans call their worship service a Mass?
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We generally use the more (what we feel) formal “Divine Service” and some use “Holy Communion” - though European Lutherans tend to use ‘Messe’ in France and “Gottesdienst” in Germany.

I don’t know what Scandinavian Lutherans use.
 
Ad_Orientem said:
Do many Lutherans call their worship service a Mass?
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Hogmassa = Holy Mass is what Sweds call it. Massa/ Messa/ Missa [depending on the language] is the common name used in European Lutheran churches. In America some evangelical catholic parishes use the word Mass but most Lutherans refer to the service as the Divine Service, Holy Communion, Eucharist, etc.

Since tomorrow is St Augustine’s Day; here is a video of the Mass in Sweden:
youtube.com/watch?v=4jaoLoFKgRw&list=RD029ZpjPOfZsE4
 
Here is a recent video of Holy Communion from a Lutheran Church in Berlin, showing the Eucharistic Prayer (all conducted eastward facing and chanted throughout) and the reception of communion kneeling. Notice too the great congregational singing of the Sanctus, Agnus Dei and the Communion hymns.

youtube.com/watch?v=6-oFNp2W9P4
 
liturgyluver said:
Here is a recent video of Holy Communion from a Lutheran Church in Berlin, showing the Eucharistic Prayer (all conducted eastward facing and chanted throughout) and the reception of communion kneeling. Notice too the great congregational singing of the Sanctus, Agnus Dei and the Communion hymns.

youtube.com/watch?v=6-oFNp2W9P4
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Thank you for sharing this! This church is part of the SELK (Selbständige Evangelisch-Lutherische Kirche) which is a confessional Lutheran body that the LCMS partners with in Germany. I was curious about the Lutheran liturgy in the “homeland.” 👍
 
benjohnson said:
We generally use the more (what we feel) formal “Divine Service” and some use “Holy Communion” - though European Lutherans tend to use ‘Messe’ in France and “Gottesdienst” in Germany.

I don’t know what Scandinavian Lutherans use.
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And mass is the term used in the confessions.

Jon
 
liturgyluver said:
Here is a recent video of Holy Communion from a Lutheran Church in Berlin, showing the Eucharistic Prayer (all conducted eastward facing and chanted throughout) and the reception of communion kneeling. Notice too the great congregational singing of the Sanctus, Agnus Dei and the Communion hymns.

youtube.com/watch?v=6-oFNp2W9P4
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When I was first learning the faith, I wondered why anybody would want to spend eternity in praise of God. But when I’m part of a beautiful liturgy, I quickly began to understand.
 
Our Lutheran Service Book has five settings for the Divine Service, we at our church use all five on a rotating basis. I told the pastor if I had my way, I would only use Divine Service 3 which is the older service and is similar to the old Common Service that I grew up with in the pre-ELCA.
 
liturgyluver said:
Here is a recent video of Holy Communion from a Lutheran Church in Berlin, showing the Eucharistic Prayer (all conducted eastward facing and chanted throughout) and the reception of communion kneeling. Notice too the great congregational singing of the Sanctus, Agnus Dei and the Communion hymns.

youtube.com/watch?v=6-oFNp2W9P4
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The video shows that the Mass going back to the holy Apostles is a sacred reminder that we are all Catholics [Lutherans, Romans, Anglicans]. The ceremony is the same as my own parish except that my pastor faces the people so that all can adore the Real Presence of Christ obscured.
 
liturgyluver said:
Here is a recent video of Holy Communion from a Lutheran Church in Berlin, showing the Eucharistic Prayer (all conducted eastward facing and chanted throughout) and the reception of communion kneeling. Notice too the great congregational singing of the Sanctus, Agnus Dei and the Communion hymns.

youtube.com/watch?v=6-oFNp2W9P4
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Watching this video to the end reminded me how long we adored the Real Presence but too long for most parishes today . 😦 Mass was at least 90 minutes in the old days.
 
Examples of altars ad orientem in Lutherans churches in Denmark. What is interesting is that the first photo is of a church built in 1769, two centuries after the Reformation; the reredos shows Christ with God the Father and the Madonna and Child. The second photo shows a modern Mass with the priest wearing the old fiddleback chasuble.
 
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