Lutherans admitted to Holy Communion

  • Thread starter Thread starter eamonnroma
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
I’ve heard it from several reliable sources. Yes, it happened. Yes, it was deliberate on the part of the priest. I don’t have an opinion as to how right or wrong it was as I see both sides and I am not an expert in these matters. The Lutherans didn’t intend to take communion, the Catholic priest insisted on it. There has been a lot of talk between our church and the Lutheran church recently, trying to heal the rift. Next year is the 500 year anniversary of the “reformation.”
 
Was it a group of liberal Lutherans from the Lutheran World Federation? The Conservative Lutherans LCMS and WELS don’t Commune In Catholic Churches although perhaps they would in this particular instance?

It was also my understanding the Conservative Lutherans were not joining in the common prayer for reformation day remembrance to unionism/syncretism if I have it correct.

Lutherans?

Mary.
 
Was it a group of liberal Lutherans from the Lutheran World Federation? The Conservative Lutherans LCMS and WELS don’t Commune In Catholic Churches although perhaps they would in this particular instance?

It was also my understanding the Conservative Lutherans were not joining in the common prayer for reformation day remembrance to unionism/syncretism if I have it correct.

Lutherans?

Mary.
Doesn’t matter. If they don’t profess the entirety of the Catholic Faith, they cannot receive the Eucharist. End of story.
 
Human beings make mistakes. Lutherans should not be given Communion in a Catholic Church, except in extreme circumstances, danger of death, and if they manifest a Catholic belief in Communion. We should pray for clarity and unity in the Church.
 
Was it a group of liberal Lutherans from the Lutheran World Federation? The Conservative Lutherans LCMS and WELS don’t Commune In Catholic Churches although perhaps they would in this particular instance?

It was also my understanding the Conservative Lutherans were not joining in the common prayer for reformation day remembrance to unionism/syncretism if I have it correct.

Lutherans?

Mary.
Yes, but let’s be fair here. AFAIK, Lutherans are very much open to giving communion to Catholics so I understand the gesture on the priests’ part. I don’t agree with it however.
 
Yes, but let’s be fair here. AFAIK, Lutherans are very much open to giving communion to Catholics so I understand the gesture on the priests’ part. I don’t agree with it however.
Yes, the ELCA Lutherans commune any believer that believes in the real presence as far as a I know from a friend who left the Catholic Church to be an ELCA Lutheran.

Mary.
 
It may not be right, but where us the outrage over Catholics using birth control receiving the Eucharist every Sunday?
 
The issue of communion with Lutherans or any other group needs to be decided as official church policy. I’m not against the principle, if it was made official church policy I don’t see why any group who believes in the real presence should not be allowed to receive. However, a priest taking it on himself to do this (and it is now becoming apparent that it was deliberate and not just a misunderstanding) is wrong because it is a breach of the rules. It is also (as threads on this forum have proved) an occasion of scandal for many believers. The decision needs to be made and stuck to either way, but whatever the policy is, priests need to obey it. Right now, the policy is closed communion. Until and unless its changed, that is that.
 
It may not be right, but where us the outrage over Catholics using birth control receiving the Eucharist every Sunday?
Because you don’t see that happening right in front of the Pope’s eyes while he brushes it off.
 
The issue of communion with Lutherans or any other group needs to be decided as official church policy. I’m not against the principle, if it was made official church policy I don’t see why any group who believes in the real presence should not be allowed to receive. However, a priest taking it on himself to do this (and it is now becoming apparent that it was deliberate and not just a misunderstanding) is wrong because it is a breach of the rules. It is also (as threads on this forum have proved) an occasion of scandal for many believers. The decision needs to be made and stuck to either way, but whatever the policy is, priests need to obey it. Right now, the policy is closed communion. Until and unless its changed, that is that.
Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Christians may receive in the Catholic Church (though their bishops may not allow it in most cases). Lutherans and Anglicans who believe in the real presence may be disposed to reverently receive the Lord in Catholic communion, but there is an important distinction. The various Orthodox bodies have validly ordained priests who impart sacramental absolution. Anglicans and Lutherans do not and being sacramentally absolved of serious sin will always be necessary before receiving.
 
Doesn’t matter. If they don’t profess the entirety of the Catholic Faith, they cannot receive the Eucharist. End of story.
Not quite. Baptised Christians who understand and believe in the Real Presence can be admitted to communion, if for instance, it is impossible for them to approach the sacrament in their own Church. A devout Lutheran, in say southern Italy, where there is certainly no Lutheran church, would be able to ask to receive the sacrament.

According to Canon Law, the Orthodox don’t need special permission to receive the sacrament, all they need to is to ask for it.
 
As already mentioned, it isn’t that some old Lutherans received communion. I know many that believe as we do regarding the Eucharist, actually I know A LOT who do. It has to do with the soul being in the proper state, with a proper sacramental confession, and true contrition for sin.
 
Can someone please tell me where in the Catechism it says that Lutherans may receive Catholic Communion even ordinary circumstances? I am confused.
 
Because you don’t see that happening right in front of the Pope’s eyes while he brushes it off.
So, your okay with it? I’m hoping I misunderstood this, because it appears you are more concerned by things you think should offend the Pope than things that should offend God.
 
“Lot’s of people use birth control and then come to communion” is supposition. You have no evidence of that.
 
Can someone please tell me where in the Catechism it says that Lutherans may receive Catholic Communion even ordinary circumstances? I am confused.
CIC Can. 915 Those upon whom the penalty of excommunication or interdict has been imposed or declared, and others who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin, are not to be admitted to holy communion.

CIC Canon 844:

§1 Catholic ministers may lawfully administer the sacraments only to catholic members of Christ’s faithful, who equally may lawfully receive them only from catholic ministers, except as provided in §§2, 3 and 4 of this canon and in can. 861 §2.

§2 Whenever necessity requires or a genuine spiritual advantage commends it, and provided the danger of error or indifferentism is avoided, Christ’s faithful for whom it is physically or morally impossible to approach a catholic minister, may lawfully receive the sacraments of penance, the Eucharist and anointing of the sick from non-catholic ministers in whose Churches these sacraments are valid.

§3 Catholic ministers may lawfully administer the sacraments of penance, the Eucharist and anointing of the sick to members of the eastern Churches not in full communion with the catholic Church, if they spontaneously ask for them and are properly disposed. The same applies to members of other Churches which the Apostolic See judges to be in the same position as the aforesaid eastern Churches so far as the sacraments are concerned.

§4 If there is a danger of death or if, in the judgement of the diocesan Bishop or of the Episcopal Conference, there is some other grave and pressing need, catholic ministers may lawfully administer these same sacraments to other christians not in full communion with the catholic Church, who cannot approach a minister of their own community and who spontaneously ask for them, provided that they demonstrate the catholic faith in respect of these sacraments and are properly disposed.

§5 In respect of the cases dealt with in §§2, 3 and 4, the diocesan Bishop or the Episcopal Conference is not to issue general norms except after consultation with the competent authority, at least at the local level, of the non-catholic Church or community concerned.
 
Cardinal Sarah is upset by it. As am I.

I have tried to think the best of Pope Francis thus far. But he has overstepped his bounds here.

I bet the mad-trads will have a field day with this.

lifesitenews.com/news/vaticans-liturgy-chief-contradicts-pope-francis-on-communion-for-non-cathol
So some priest gives communion to a group of Lutherans and suddenly it’s all the Pope’s fault?:confused: In fairness, that’s the impression that you’d get from a quick read of the article; it requires a more careful read to reveal what actually happened: Lutheran bishop visits Rome with a group of other Lutherans. Lutheran bishop (alone) meets with Pope. sometime later (length of time not mentioned) group goes to Mass in St Peter’s (without the Pope). Some priest(s) of undisclosed origins (Rome’s a big place; there’s lots of priests there) gives them communion for reasons unknown. Lutheran bishop (and presumably others) go home happy. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story! :hmmm:

So should they have received communion? Probably not. Is this the beginning of the apocalypse? Definitely, not.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top