Lutherans and Anglicans Becoming One Church?

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Several recent announcements chronicle the further union of Anglicans and Lutherans in North America.

"In their letter, the four leaders [Anglican archbishop of Canada & Lutheran and Episcopal presiding bishops of the U.S and Canada] recognized that "our full and mutual recognition of each other’s ministries and sacraments 'marks but one step toward the eventual visible unity of the whole Church catholic."

For the first time Canadian Anglicans and Lutherans will hold joint assemblies this summer. "Some possibilities before the churches, the leaders said, can include theological education – the calling forth and forming lay and ordained leadership; sharing “episcopal oversight” – clergy exchange and, in some regions, diocesan and synodical leaders; and speaking with a single voice on issues affecting Canadians and Americans."
elca.org/Who-We-Are/Our-Three-Expressions/Churchwide-Organization/Communication-Services/News/Releases.aspx?a=5317

" . . . Anglican and Lutheran members will spend their mornings together. After morning devotions on July 4 and 5, there will be greetings from representatives of the Anglican Communion, the Lutheran World Federation, the Episcopal Church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America and the World Council of Churches. Members will hear reports from the Joint Anglican Lutheran Commission . . . ".
episcopaldigitalnetwork.com/ens/2013/07/02/in-canada-first-joint-assembly-for-anglicans-lutherans-is-a-milestone/

Wonder if European Anglican and Lutheran churches are also working toward full unity per the Provoo Communion?

Any thoughts?
 
EvangelCatholic said:
Several recent announcements chronicle the further union of Anglicans and Lutherans in North America.

"In their letter, the four leaders [Anglican archbishop of Canada & Lutheran and Episcopal presiding bishops of the U.S and Canada] recognized that "our full and mutual recognition of each other’s ministries and sacraments 'marks but one step toward the eventual visible unity of the whole Church catholic."

For the first time Canadian Anglicans and Lutherans will hold joint assemblies this summer. "Some possibilities before the churches, the leaders said, can include theological education – the calling forth and forming lay and ordained leadership; sharing “episcopal oversight” – clergy exchange and, in some regions, diocesan and synodical leaders; and speaking with a single voice on issues affecting Canadians and Americans."
elca.org/Who-We-Are/Our-Three-Expressions/Churchwide-Organization/Communication-Services/News/Releases.aspx?a=5317

" . . . Anglican and Lutheran members will spend their mornings together. After morning devotions on July 4 and 5, there will be greetings from representatives of the Anglican Communion, the Lutheran World Federation, the Episcopal Church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America and the World Council of Churches. Members will hear reports from the Joint Anglican Lutheran Commission . . . ".
episcopaldigitalnetwork.com/ens/2013/07/02/in-canada-first-joint-assembly-for-anglicans-lutherans-is-a-milestone/

Wonder if European Anglican and Lutheran churches are also working toward full unity per the Provoo Communion?

Any thoughts?
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Well…all Lutherans? Or just some Lutherna synods?

And which Anglicans? or just some Anglicans?

If it is not all Lutherans and Anglicans…then is it a partial, not complete communion?
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/files/2012/09/teddy2.jpg

You know how they have those big character Presidents run a race at the Washington Nationals Baseball games?

If the Lutherans and Anglicans pull this merger off they should celebrate with a big shebang featuring a giant Martin Luther and a big Henry VIII doing a bareknuckle boxing match; or a joust! Oh dear. One of them has to win; one of them has to lose!
Nevermind. 😉

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If they did get together it would be the liberals from one church and the Christians from another, to form two completely different churches.
 
IgnatianPhilo said:
If they did get together it would be the liberals from one church and the Christians from another, to form two completely different churches.
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Perhaps it should be a 500 year game of “Who’s in Charge?” for traditions sake. 😉

On the serious side, becoming one Church is an idea that beats all the splitting apart.

Jesus prayed that all might be one (in Him). May we be so. If we make it to heaven that will be the case, so " … on Earth as it is in heaven."

Marty and Henry aside, there is enough rampaging evil in the world these days to make Christians consider circling the wagons and postponing the finer point theological disputations for a quieter time.

Maybe a counterattack and rescue missions would be better than circling the wagons.
If we keep our eyes on Jesus and walk toward Him … we may end up shoulder to shoulder.
 
pablope said:
Well…all Lutherans? Or just some Lutherna synods?

And which Anglicans? or just some Anglicans?

If it is not all Lutherans and Anglicans…then is it a partial, not complete communion?
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While I applaud the effort…This was my question too.

As I’ve learned here…one can’t simply say “Lutheran” or “Anglican”.

Peace
James
 
JRKH said:
While I applaud the effort…This was my question too.

As I’ve learned here…one can’t simply say “Lutheran” or “Anglican”.

Peace
James
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Exactly my question as well.

EC you should state which Lutheran synods and what branches on Anglicans are talking. I could be wrong, but I do not see High Church Anglicans joining with the liberal ELCA or the Episcopal Church. Nor do I see LCMS siding with the Episcopal Church either. LCMS pastors cannot even attend prayer vigils as we see from the CT and 9/11 stories.

Is it a liberal/liberal joining or conserv/conserv? Need more information. 🤷
 
pablope said:
Well…all Lutherans? Or just some Lutheran synods?

And which Anglicans? or just some Anglicans?
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EvangelCatholic started quoting at paragraph #7 (namely
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 In their letter, the four leaders also recognized that “our full and mutual recognition of each other’s ministries and sacraments ‘marks but one step toward the eventual visible unity of the whole Church catholic.’”
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) but paragraph #2 says “… leaders of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada, The Anglican Church of Canada, The Episcopal Church and the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) …”
 
Peter_J said:
EvangelCatholic started quoting at paragraph #7 (namely

) but paragraph #2 says “… leaders of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada, The Anglican Church of Canada, The Episcopal Church and the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) …”
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I must have missed that as well. lol

So pretty much all the liberal sects and synods are trying to join…Great :rolleyes:
 
I’m taking bets on how long it will be until articles about said announcement start decrying the LCMS and ACNA for being “isolationist” or whatever.
 
Perhaps the TEC and the ELCA could recruit the unhappy liberals from the LCMS to join their group, too. Then maybe we’d be able to hold hands with the Wisconsin synod Lutherans again.
 
Stilldreamn said:
Perhaps the TEC and the ELCA could recruit the unhappy liberals from the LCMS to join their group, too. Then maybe we’d be able to hold hands with the Wisconsin synod Lutherans again.
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You would never see my Anglican Catholic family members getting cozy with Lutherans from the ELCA. Just sayin lol
 
JRKH said:
While I applaud the effort…This was my question too.

As I’ve learned here…one can’t simply say “Lutheran” or “Anglican”.

Peace
James
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Indeed, James. EC is talking about Lutherans and Anglicans of the ELCA and TEC varieties. But generally, Lutherans and Anglicans, even the high church varieties, have a great deal in common. We see today the LCMS in dialogue with the ACNA, not for merger purposes, but instead on how our ministries can work together.
What keeps confessional Lutherans and Anglo-Catholics from merger is simply doctrine. We each value our own and respect that in each other. We are not willing to minimize doctrine for merger’s sake.

Jon
 
JonNC said:
Indeed, James. EC is talking about Lutherans and Anglicans of the ELCA and TEC varieties. But generally, Lutherans and Anglicans, even the high church varieties, have a great deal in common. We see today the LCMS in dialogue with the ACNA, not for merger purposes, but instead on how our ministries can work together.
What keeps confessional Lutherans and Anglo-Catholics from merger is simply doctrine. We each value our own and respect that in each other. We are not willing to minimize doctrine for merger’s sake.

Jon
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JonNC said:
Indeed, James. EC is talking about Lutherans and Anglicans of the ELCA and TEC varieties. But generally, Lutherans and Anglicans, even the high church varieties, have a great deal in common.
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Definitely. They just don’t believe in a everyone-has-to-merge approach … much as Rome and the PNCC don’t feel we need to merge.
 
Stilldreamn said:
Perhaps the TEC and the ELCA could recruit the unhappy liberals from the LCMS to join their group, too. Then maybe we’d be able to hold hands with the Wisconsin synod Lutherans again.
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Certainly there is more to it than that, but you make a good point.

Jon
 
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