Lutherans and Eucharistic prayer

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I would like to get some takes from other people on this. In the Lutheran Service Book the Eucharistic (sp?) prayer has been reistituted under a new title “Prayer Of Thanksgiving”. This is a direct translation of the word Eucharist which comes dirctly from the Mass Cannon, and was insurted right after the Sanctus. I find it interesting due to the fact it was removed and now reinstalled after so many years.

I talke with the Lutheran pastor due to the fact he omits it. When asked why he says it is a sacraficial prayer. Now as for my self as a LCMS member working my way back to the Catholic Church I do not have a problem with it and wish it was used. Note that some LCMS churches are using it though I don’t think they relize that it is what they think it is not.

What are thought’s from other Lutherans or anyone else on CAF on why they might have done this or what they think of it.
 
chworkman05 said:
I would like to get some takes from other people on this. In the Lutheran Service Book the Eucharistic (sp?) prayer has been reistituted under a new title “Prayer Of Thanksgiving”. This is a direct translation of the word Eucharist which comes dirctly from the Mass Cannon, and was insurted right after the Sanctus. I find it interesting due to the fact it was removed and now reinstalled after so many years.

I talke with the Lutheran pastor due to the fact he omits it. When asked why he says it is a sacraficial prayer. Now as for my self as a LCMS member working my way back to the Catholic Church I do not have a problem with it and wish it was used. Note that some LCMS churches are using it though I don’t think they relize that it is what they think it is not.

What are thought’s from other Lutherans or anyone else on CAF on why they might have done this or what they think of it.
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It has not been my experience that the Prayer of Thanksgiving was in some way controversial. I’m LCMS now but grew up LCA, and we always used the Prayer of Thanksgiving following the Sanctus that appeared in the old SBH.
I don’t have a copy of the LSB here at home but will check it out tomorrow.
Jon
 
Do you know parts of it? Just so I know what you’re talking about.😉
 
The Eucharistic Prayer (Roman Canon) was thrown out by Luther in his reform of the Mass because he felt that the sacrificial language was too much. Instead he opted for just the Verba. In the 1950’s the Lutheran Church of Sweden re-introduced the Eucharistic Prayer. It is a prayer, much like the Roman Catholic Eucharistic Prayers that recites salvation history and puts the Verba within the context of Thanksgiving. The ELCA’s previous liturgical books (Service Book and Hymnal, 1958, Lutheran Book of Worship, 1978, and Evangelical Lutheran Worship, 2006) all have full Eucharistic Prayers. The new ELW has, in fact, eleven of them. The average ELCA parish always uses the full prayer. Most LC-MS and Wisconsin Synod Lutherans do not, however, and opt for the Verba alone. ----------- I for one, was taught in seminary (ELCA) to NEVER use just the Verba, but always use the full Eucharistic Prayer. And so in my Lutheran parish, I do every Sunday when we celebrate the Eucharist. Part of this understanding has come from a new understanding of Eucharist as sacrifice. Lutherans are not afraid to think of the idea that in the Eucharist we offer our prayers and thanksgiving as a sacrifice. And further the once-for-all sacrifice of Christ is made present again (but not done again) on the altar. It is a lot of technical language, but it is what tends to get us in trouble when we all dialogue!
Blessings to you!
Fr. Joe+
 
frjsummerville said:
The Eucharistic Prayer (Roman Canon) was thrown out by Luther in his reform of the Mass because he felt that the sacrificial language was too much. Instead he opted for just the Verba. In the 1950’s the Lutheran Church of Sweden re-introduced the Eucharistic Prayer. It is a prayer, much like the Roman Catholic Eucharistic Prayers that recites salvation history and puts the Verba within the context of Thanksgiving. The ELCA’s previous liturgical books (Service Book and Hymnal, 1958, Lutheran Book of Worship, 1978, and Evangelical Lutheran Worship, 2006) all have full Eucharistic Prayers. The new ELW has, in fact, eleven of them. The average ELCA parish always uses the full prayer. Most LC-MS and Wisconsin Synod Lutherans do not, however, and opt for the Verba alone. ----------- I for one, was taught in seminary (ELCA) to NEVER use just the Verba, but always use the full Eucharistic Prayer. And so in my Lutheran parish, I do every Sunday when we celebrate the Eucharist. Part of this understanding has come from a new understanding of Eucharist as sacrifice. Lutherans are not afraid to think of the idea that in the Eucharist we offer our prayers and thanksgiving as a sacrifice. And further the once-for-all sacrifice of Christ is made present again (but not done again) on the altar. It is a lot of technical language, but it is what tends to get us in trouble when we all dialogue!
Blessings to you!
Fr. Joe+
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It’s funny because the new LCMS book also has more than one prayer of Thanksgiving. We use one of them. My dad was an LCA/ELCA pastor and he always used it.

Jon

I noticed you signed “Fr. Joe”. Do you go by the title “Father”, or does Fr. an abbreviation ofr a different title?
 
Yes, there is limited use of a full Eucharistic Prayer in the new LC-MS liturgical book (The Lutheran Service Book).
As for “Father,” yes, I have some parishioners who call me “Father,” and my Episcopal, Catholic, and Orthodox colleagues in the area call me “Father” as well. Most of the parishioners do call me “Pastor,” but they don’t flinch when someone (even my organist!) calls me “Father.” We are one of the more liturgically “high” churches in our synod even though we are small town/suburban.
Blessings,
Fr. Joe+
 
frjsummerville said:
Yes, there is limited use of a full Eucharistic Prayer in the new LC-MS liturgical book (The Lutheran Service Book).
As for “Father,” yes, I have some parishioners who call me “Father,” and my Episcopal, Catholic, and Orthodox colleagues in the area call me “Father” as well. Most of the parishioners do call me “Pastor,” but they don’t flinch when someone (even my organist!) calls me “Father.” We are one of the more liturgically “high” churches in our synod even though we are small town/suburban.
Blessings,
Fr. Joe+
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First, Father, welcome aboard. It is always good to have a fellow Lutheran here. 😉
I recall a event when I was 10 or so. My dad and I were walking in my home town, and passed a Catholic school. Two boys a bit older than me came out of the school yard, and said “hello, Father” to my dad. He responded hello boys, as if it were an everyday thing. When I aked, he said that’s what Cathholics call their pastors. I never forgot it.
Jon
 
frjsummerville said:
The average ELCA parish always uses the full prayer.
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Greetings Father!

Up here in the midwest, the use of the Eucharistic prayers is probably a bit more spotty, with older pastors avoiding it, as well as younger pastors friendly to the “Word Alone” movement who avoid anything “too Catholic.”
 
Some ELCA Churches do use the Eucharistic Prayer. I attend two of three Elca Churches in my town they both use the prayer. As a former Catholic I see no problem with this we as lutherans do believe in the real presence of jesus in the eucaharist. I could care less what catholic apologist say they can not tell me that the Lutheran eucharist is not Valid. I believe that the Lutheran Eucharist is valid and all the Tim staples and Patrick Madrids in the world will never change my mind
 
frjsummerville said:
The Eucharistic Prayer (Roman Canon) was thrown out by Luther in his reform of the Mass because he felt that the sacrificial language was too much. Instead he opted for just the Verba. In the 1950’s the Lutheran Church of Sweden re-introduced the Eucharistic Prayer. It is a prayer, much like the Roman Catholic Eucharistic Prayers that recites salvation history and puts the Verba within the context of Thanksgiving. The ELCA’s previous liturgical books (Service Book and Hymnal, 1958, Lutheran Book of Worship, 1978, and Evangelical Lutheran Worship, 2006) all have full Eucharistic Prayers. The new ELW has, in fact, eleven of them. The average ELCA parish always uses the full prayer. Most LC-MS and Wisconsin Synod Lutherans do not, however, and opt for the Verba alone. ----------- I for one, was taught in seminary (ELCA) to NEVER use just the Verba, but always use the full Eucharistic Prayer. And so in my Lutheran parish, I do every Sunday when we celebrate the Eucharist. Part of this understanding has come from a new understanding of Eucharist as sacrifice. Lutherans are not afraid to think of the idea that in the Eucharist we offer our prayers and thanksgiving as a sacrifice. And further the once-for-all sacrifice of Christ is made present again (but not done again) on the altar. It is a lot of technical language, but it is what tends to get us in trouble when we all dialogue!
Blessings to you!
Fr. Joe+
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Welcome to the forum, Father Joe!

How often do you celebrate the Lord’s Supper at your church and who may receive the Eucharist?

God Bless!
 
JonNC said:
First, Father, welcome aboard. It is always good to have a fellow Lutheran here. 😉
I recall a event when I was 10 or so. My dad and I were walking in my home town, and passed a Catholic school. Two boys a bit older than me came out of the school yard, and said “hello, Father” to my dad. He responded hello boys, as if it were an everyday thing. When I aked, he said that’s what Cathholics call their pastors. I never forgot it.
Jon
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Oh Jon, were you thinking that you had a couple extra brothers running around your town and you didn’t even know it?😉

We also call our priest Father or Mother or just Joe and Sally.

God Bless!
 
frjsummerville said:
Yes, there is limited use of a full Eucharistic Prayer in the new LC-MS liturgical book (The Lutheran Service Book).
As for “Father,” yes, I have some parishioners who call me “Father,” and my Episcopal, Catholic, and Orthodox colleagues in the area call me “Father” as well. Most of the parishioners do call me “Pastor,” but they don’t flinch when someone (even my organist!) calls me “Father.” We are one of the more liturgically “high” churches in our synod even though we are small town/suburban.
Blessings,
Fr. Joe+
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Welcome father. In our current congreagtion the eucharistic prayer is compleatly avaided by our current pastor. Way to Catholic for him. He does not even like using the verba. Usaly just omits the whol thing. I find this disturbing. Though he also does not mind our synod press for the LCMS. I find this way to liberal the whole ablaze prog and all. any who sorry off topic rant, but welcome.
 
Hello!
We celebrate the Eucharist every Sunday at both liturgies. That is the practice of 92% of our parishes in our synod (diocese). In the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, that is becoming standard practice, with the exception of some extremely rural parishes. As for who is welcome to receive, we state that "the true Body and Blood of Christ are given and received in the Sacrament of the Eucharist under the form of bread and wine. All baptized Christians who believe that Christ is truly present in the Eucharist are welcome to receive. The gifts of the Eucharist are life and forgiveness.
Blessings!
Fr. Joe+
 
frjsummerville said:
Hello!
We celebrate the Eucharist every Sunday at both liturgies. That is the practice of 92% of our parishes in our synod (diocese). In the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, that is becoming standard practice, with the exception of some extremely rural parishes. As for who is welcome to receive, we state that "the true Body and Blood of Christ are given and received in the Sacrament of the Eucharist under the form of bread and wine. All baptized Christians who believe that Christ is truly present in the Eucharist are welcome to receive. The gifts of the Eucharist are life and forgiveness.
Blessings!
Fr. Joe+
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Thanks Father Joe!

God Bless!
 
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