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From the National Catholic Register with my emphases:

Increasing Number of Lutherans are Coming into the Catholic Church

BY Tim Drake

One of the most under-reported religious stories of the past decade has been the movement of Lutherans across the Tiber. What first began with prominent Lutherans, such as Richard John Neuhaus (1990) and Robert Wilken (1994), coming into the Catholic Church, has become more of a landslide that could culminate in a larger body of Lutherans coming into the collectively. In 2000, former Canadian Lutheran Bishop Joseph Jacobson came into the Church.

No other Church really can duplicate what Jesus gave,” Jacobson told the Western Catholic Reporter in 2006. [How could it? Had Jesus desired that there could be more than one Church, He would have said that or He would have founded more than one.]* In 2003, Leonard Klein, a prominent Lutheran and the former editor of Lutheran Forum and Forum Letter came into the Church. Today, both Jacobson and Klein are Catholic priests. Over the past several years, an increasing number of Lutheran theologians have joined the Church’s ranks, some of whom now teach at Catholic colleges and universities. They include, but are not limited to: Paul Quist (2005), Richard Ballard (2006), Paul Abbe (2006), Thomas McMichael, Mickey Mattox, David Fagerberg, Bruce Marshall, Reinhard Hutter, Philip Max Johnson, and most recently, Dr. Michael Root (2010).

“The Lutheran church has been my intellectual and spiritual home for forty years,” wrote Dr. Root. “But we are not masters of our convictions. A risk of ecumenical study is that one will come to find another tradition compelling in a way that leads to a deep change in mind and heart. Over the last year or so, it has become clear to me, not without struggle, that I have become a Catholic in my mind and heart in ways that no longer permit me to present myself as a Lutheran theologian with honesty and integrity. This move is less a matter of decision than of discernment.” **** images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51Yx+5Le61L.SL110.jpgIt’s been said that “no one converts alone,” suggesting that oftentimes the effect of one conversion helps to move another along a similar path. [Take a look at Joseph Pearce’e Literary Converts.] That’s exemplified through Paul Quist’s story. He describes attending the Lutheran “A Call to Faithfulness” conference at St. Olaf College in June, 1990. There, he listened to, and met, Richard John Neuhaus, who would announce his own conversion just months later. “What some Lutherans were realizing was that, without the moorings of the Church’s Magisterium, Lutheranism would ineluctably drift from it’s confessional and biblical source,” wrote Quist. Many of the converts have come from The Society of the Holy Trinity, a** pan-Lutheran ministerium** organized in 1997 to work for the confessional and spiritual renewal of Lutheran churches. Now, it appears that a larger Lutheran body will be joining the Church. Father Christopher Phillips, writing at the Anglo-Catholic blog, reports that the Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church (ALCC) clergy and parishes will be entering into the U.S. ordinariate being created for those Anglicans desiring to enter the Church. According to the blog, the ALCC sent a letter to Walter Cardinal Kasper, on May 13, 2009, stating that it “desires to undo the mistakes of Father Martin Luther, and return to the One, Holy, and True Catholic Church established by our Lord Jesus Christ through the Blessed Saint Peter.” That letter was sent to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Surprisingly, in October 2010, the ALCC received a letter from the secretary of the CDF, informing them that Archbishop Donald Wuerl had been appointed as an episcopal delegate to assist with the implementation of Angelicanorum coetibus. The ALCC responded that they would like to be included as part of the reunification.

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Gloria be to God in the Higest and peace to His people on earth.
 
Fr. Phillips was using information received from the Anglo Lutheran Catholic Church’s Bishops. He has also said he has not heard anything from Rome. The Lutheran’s petitioned Rome and were told to go through Cardinal Wuerl who is the US Delegate for the Anglicans entering the Ordinariate. From what has been said it appears that they would then be coming through the Ordinariate.

As of yet there is no confirmation on this. The Anglicans were very happy to hear this, however, we must use caution until Rome officially informs us.

Although for the Church a year and a half is not considered a long time, for those Anglicans waiting to hear if an Ordinariate has been established in their country it seems like an eternity.

I would assume that for the Lutherans it will also take time to sort it all out.

Hopefully the Ordinariates will be opeining the doors for many to enter the Church.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
 
As for a Catholic convert myself, I must agree that only when I am within the Catholic Church, I can understand the Bible in the clearest way.
 
I don’t really know how I should feel about this. I agree with most of Roman Catholicism but there are some stuff that I just don’t get. Lutherans and Catholics are pretty much the same thing.
 
I don’t really know how I should feel about this. I agree with most of Roman Catholicism but there are some stuff that I just don’t get. Lutherans and Catholics are pretty much the same thing.
The same? :confused:
 
It makes one wonder why the Vatican takes so long with this stuff. You’d think they’d be rearing to go to merge Lutherans into the Church, Anglicans, too. The Church never does anything fast and efficiently. They take way too long IMO. Too bad they can expedite things, meet with the cardinals and bishops involved, make it happen, and go for it. Instead it’ll take a long time because of the channels and bureaucracy of the Church. Too bad.

The mainline Protestant churches are quickly evaporating. They’re splitting into agnosticism, evangelicalism, mega church folks, Catholics, etc. Things are complicated these days. 😛
Fr. Phillips was using information received from the Anglo Lutheran Catholic Church’s Bishops. He has also said he has not heard anything from Rome. The Lutheran’s petitioned Rome and were told to go through Cardinal Wuerl who is the US Delegate for the Anglicans entering the Ordinariate. From what has been said it appears that they would then be coming through the Ordinariate.

As of yet there is no confirmation on this. The Anglicans were very happy to hear this, however, we must use caution until Rome officially informs us.

Although for the Church a year and a half is not considered a long time, for those Anglicans waiting to hear if an Ordinariate has been established in their country it seems like an eternity.

I would assume that for the Lutherans it will also take time to sort it all out.

Hopefully the Ordinariates will be opeining the doors for many to enter the Church.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
 
I don’t really know how I should feel about this. I agree with most of Roman Catholicism but there are some stuff that I just don’t get. Lutherans and Catholics are pretty much the same thing.
If it is the same thing,then why not come back to the CC they separated from? 🤷
 
Nicea and I rarely agree on anything but I do have to concur with him. Lutheranism and Catholicism are markedly different or else Luther, Melancthon, and company wouldn’t have left Catholicism. The number of sacraments is different, the views on the Eucharist are different, priesthood of all believers, the sacrifice of the Mass, views on apostolic succession, views on the papacy, Marian views, sola scriptura, on and on. There are many points of divergence IMO. I greatly respect Lutherans. My kids all go to a Lutheran school. I actually have read pretty much everything Luther ever wrote. “Here I Stand” by Roland Bainton is a favorite biography of mine. I have a lot of respect for Luther. But I must say, they are two different churches. Would that they were together again. 😦
Because female priests, openly gay priests, and same sex marriage.:nope:

All of which the church opposes.
 
Nicea and I rarely agree on anything but I do have to concur with him. Lutheranism and Catholicism are markedly different or else Luther, Melancthon, and company wouldn’t have left Catholicism. The number of sacraments is different, the views on the Eucharist are different, priesthood of all believers, the sacrifice of the Mass, views on apostolic succession, views on the papacy, Marian views, sola scriptura, on and on. There are many points of divergence IMO. I greatly respect Lutherans. My kids all go to a Lutheran school. I actually have read pretty much everything Luther ever wrote. “Here I Stand” by Roland Bainton is a favorite biography of mine. I have a lot of respect for Luther. But I must say, they are two different churches. Would that they were together again. 😦
Luther left Catholicism?! I though he remained a Catholic till his death. I don’t remember Martin Luther ever calling himself a Lutheran. That would be an oxymoron. Kinda like how Karl Marx was not a Marxist.
 
There are so many Catholics who have entered other branches of Christianity that no one tried to keep count–in addition to the large percentages of non-observant Catholics. (According to a recent CARA poll, 22% of Catholics attend mass every week). Many Protestant and AC parishes contain 30% former Catholics and more. No one tries to keep count. It’s only the RCC that uses this sort of triumphalism.
 
Because female priests, openly gay priests, and same sex marriage.:nope:

All of which the church opposes.
The Missouri Synod of the Lutheran Church opposes these things too. The Evangelical Lutherans don’t–they are also in communion with the Episcopal Church in the US (TEC).
 
Luther considered himself a reformed (small r) Catholic, yes. Does that make him one? No. Calvin also thought himself a reformed Catholic part of the “true” Church as well, right? I can go to Mass once every six months, believe that I can confect the Eucharist in my basement, reject the catechism, and laugh at apostolic succession and still call myself Catholic. Am I?

So your Marx and Marxism thing is a non sequitor. Of course Luther “called” himself Christian, Catholic, evangelical. But was he? Did Catholics consider him so? It’s not what he called himself but what the reality was…

You’re confusing nominally Catholic with substantively Catholic.

If you missed out on the whole part where Luther left the Catholic Church, you never studied the Reformation? :confused:
Luther left Catholicism?! I though he remained a Catholic till his death. I don’t remember Martin Luther ever calling himself a Lutheran. That would be an oxymoron. Kinda like how Karl Marx was not a Marxist.
 
It makes one wonder why the Vatican takes so long with this stuff. You’d think they’d be rearing to go to merge Lutherans into the Church, Anglicans, too. The Church never does anything fast and efficiently. They take way too long IMO. Too bad they can expedite things, meet with the cardinals and bishops involved, make it happen, and go for it. Instead it’ll take a long time because of the channels and bureaucracy of the Church. Too bad.
Gurney,
I find this post intersting in view of your following post about the differences between us.
So a question, eith the indulgence (pardon the pun :D) of the OP; What do you think it will take for a “Lutheran Ordinariate” to take place, to bring reconciliation between Rome and a large number of Lutheran?

I have viewed any of three things for me:
  1. A Rome statement accepting the Augsburg Confession as an essentially Catholic confession.
  2. A statement of reconciliation between my synod and Rome.
  3. The reconciliation of Rome and Orthodoxy (simply because I would see it as an undeniable movement of the Holy Spirit within the Church).
Your thoughts.
Jon
 
I only wish Catholics pondering leaving the Church would put 1/10th the thought into it that Lutherans wishing to become Catholic (in one way or another) do.
 
Nicea and I rarely agree on anything but I do have to concur with him. Lutheranism and Catholicism are markedly different or else Luther, Melancthon, and company wouldn’t have left Catholicism. The number of sacraments is different, the views on the Eucharist are different, priesthood of all believers, the sacrifice of the Mass, views on apostolic succession, views on the papacy, Marian views, sola scriptura, on and on. There are many points of divergence IMO. I greatly respect Lutherans. My kids all go to a Lutheran school. I actually have read pretty much everything Luther ever wrote. “Here I Stand” by Roland Bainton is a favorite biography of mine. I have a lot of respect for Luther. But I must say, they are two different churches. Would that they were together again. 😦
Hey gurney we actually agree? :dancing::extrahappy:

How is the spiritual journey coming along?
 
Gurney,
I find this post intersting in view of your following post about the differences between us.
So a question, eith the indulgence (pardon the pun :D) of the OP; What do you think it will take for a “Lutheran Ordinariate” to take place, to bring reconciliation between Rome and a large number of Lutheran?

I have viewed any of three things for me:
  1. A Rome statement accepting the Augsburg Confession as an essentially Catholic confession.
  2. A statement of reconciliation between my synod and Rome.
  3. The reconciliation of Rome and Orthodoxy (simply because I would see it as an undeniable movement of the Holy Spirit within the Church).
Your thoughts.
Jon
Blessings my friend! I have no issues what your three points. Sounds good to me.👍

God Bless
 
Hanging in there at the Catholic Church. Not thrilled with A LOT of things, hangin’ on by a thread as usual. My wife was never keen on returning to begin with. Kids aren’t thrilled either. Hangin’ in there…
Hey gurney we actually agree? :dancing::extrahappy:

How is the spiritual journey coming along?
 
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