Lutherans...closest to Catholics?

[7_Sorrows]

I was thinking of making these comments and found that Jon had already done so!

*Note:
I have found that in terms of any other Christians, [other than Catholics], one will find various “strains” that are slightly different among ANY denomination in the West or churches in the East…
I may be wrong, but as soon as I get a response from one member of a denomination/church, another member says something different, and I’m not talking about misinformation, [as could happen among Catholics regardless of the Catechism], but actual bona fide variations.

Having said that,

Yes, High Church Anglicans/Episcopalians and Lutherans seem the closest…depending on which one? And, there is where I get lost…

I struggle understanding what it means to be Lutheran or Anglican or Baptist IF each congregation of each of these denominations differs on their beliefs … AND, conversely, if so many variations are allowed to a denomination, then why are there so many denominations?

God Bless All and Happy Pascua until Pentecost!

yes, orthodox, anglican and lutheran are probably the closest. as to which is THE closest, i don’t know that it really matters or who we would go to for the definitive answer.
as i mentioned in an earlier post, an anglican use rite liturgy has been approved by rome for those converting from the anglican church and in the future there could be many more converting. it is already in use in some parishes.

 

[GKC]

yes, orthodox, anglican and lutheran are probably the closest. as to which is THE closest, i don’t know that it really matters or who we would go to for the definitive answer.
as i mentioned in an earlier post, an anglican use rite liturgy has been approved by rome for those converting from the anglican church and in the future there could be many more converting. it is already in use in some parishes.

It’s currently used in around 6-8 parishes, mainly in Texas. It is unlikely to grow much, in this form, unless it is made a separate Rite, and I’m not sure the chances of that.

The Anglican Use is intended to assist a group of Anglicans who, with an Anglican priest, convert to the RCC. After a certain time, usually at the death of the converted priest, but not always, most such parishes change, usually to NO (the large parishes in Texas are an exception). There was an Anglican Use parish in my town, sort of a sister parish to my own Continuing Anglican one, in that both originally came out of the Episcopal Churchs in the area, about 20+ years ago. They became NO, in a few years, and are now mainly TLM, last I heard.

GKC

 

[Sunflower15]

yes, orthodox, anglican and lutheran are probably the closest. as to which is THE closest, i don’t know that it really matters or who we would go to for the definitive answer.
as i mentioned in an earlier post, an anglican use rite liturgy has been approved by rome for those converting from the anglican church and in the future there could be many more converting. it is already in use in some parishes.

Yes, I’ve seen that on EWTN several times, they call it the “English Rite” and is basically a Roman-approved liturgy for the Anglican/Episcopalians that are converting…the most interesting case I saw on EWTN involved a young married priest w/3 kids, who converted to RC along with his entire “flock” /parish!..who voluntarily set aside a budget for a “salary” so that he could support his wife & 3 kids… English Rite accepts married priests, [married men ordained as priests in the Anglican/Episcopalian traditions who then convert to RC] but these, like our Deacons, cannot marry again in case of a divorce or widowhood.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Yes, I’ve seen that on EWTN several times, they call it the “English Rite” and is basically a Roman-approved liturgy for the Anglican/Episcopalians that are converting…the most interesting case I saw on EWTN involved a young married priest w/3 kids, who converted to RC along with his entire “flock” /parish!..who voluntarily set aside a budget for a “salary” so that he could support his wife & 3 kids… English Rite accepts married priests, [married men ordained as priests in the Anglican/Episcopalian traditions who then convert to RC] but these, like our Deacons, cannot marry again in case of a divorce or widowhood.

yes, i know of an ex-episcopal priest with a wife and 4 kids who is in the process of becoming a roman catholic priest. he will be ordained this winter.

depending on how many anglicans could possibly convert to catholicism in the future, the anglican use rite could be in existence for some time. i have not seen the rite.
i converted last year and the latin rite is fine with me, but if i were close to a parish with an anglican use rite, i would like to visit one and see what it is like.

i don’t have ewtn right now and i really miss it. sounds like it was an interesting show.
was it on the program the Journey Home (or something like that)?

 

[Peter_J]

Yes, I’ve seen that on EWTN several times, they call it the “English Rite”

Not to get technical, but that isn’t technically correct because (technically) it’s a “usage” within the Roman Rite, rather than a separate “rite”. (There are some other Western rites, besides the Roman Rite, e.g. the Ambrosian Rite and the Mozarabic Rite, but they are little used.)

 

[7_Sorrows]

Not to get technical, but that isn’t technically correct because (technically) it’s a “usage” within the Roman Rite, rather than a separate “rite”. (There are some other Western rites, besides the Roman Rite, e.g. the Ambrosian Rite and the Mozarabic Rite, but they are little used.)

actually, i believe it is a separate rite and the correct name is anglican use rite.
i just attended a class last week and it was listed with the other rites of liturgy used in the Catholic church.

 

[GKC]

actually, i believe it is a separate rite and the correct name is anglican use rite.
i just attended a class last week and it was listed with the other rites of liturgy used in the Catholic church.

No, the correct term is Anglican Use. A Rite, as Peter J says, is another sort of thing. Anglican Use is a Use, under the Latin Rite. It was established under the Pastoral Provision of 1980.

Apropos of nothing in particular, the liturgical book used in the Anglican Use is known as the Book of Divine Worship. It’s an adaptation of the Episcopal Church’s 1979 prayer book. A friend of mine did the frontispiece for it.

GKC

 

[7_Sorrows]

No, the correct term is Anglican Use. A Rite, as Peter J says, is another sort of thing. Anglican Use is a Use, under the Latin Rite. It was established under the Pastoral Provision of 1980.

Apropos of nothing in particular, the liturgical book used in the Anglican Use is known as the Book of Divine Worship. It’s an adaptation of the Episcopal Church’s 1979 prayer book. A friend of mine did the frontispiece for it.

GKC

i guess the teacher who taught my class last week was mistaken then because he had anglican use in the same category as the other rites.

 

[7_Sorrows]

i guess the teacher who taught my class last week was mistaken then because he had anglican use in the same category as the other rites.

i rechecked my paper from the class last week GKC and anglican use is a form of the roman rite. there are 8 other forms of the roman rite. thank you for correcting me.

a friend of mine also showed me last year the book of divine worship. it was really big. i glanced through it. would liked to have had a chance to bring it home and study it, but we were at a restaurant for lunch and had other things to talk about so i was only able to thumb through it for a few minutes.

 

[GKC]

i rechecked my paper from the class last week GKC and anglican use is a form of the roman rite. there are 8 other forms of the roman rite. thank you for correcting me.

a friend of mine also showed me last year the book of divine worship. it was really big. i glanced through it. would liked to have had a chance to bring it home and study it, but we were at a restaurant for lunch and had other things to talk about so i was only able to thumb through it for a few minutes.

You are very welcome.

I’d like a chance to look it over, too. I’ve seen a copy of the frontispiece my friend made for it, and like all his work, it’s great.

The liturgy itself, as I said, is based on Rite I (that’s another use of the word Rite) from the 1979 prayer book used by the Episcopal Church. IMO, the 1928 Book of Common Prayer would have been a better choice. But a well done Anglican Mass can be beautiful.

Here’s a look at the AU liturgy, from the site of one of the Texas AU parishes, OL of Atonement:

www.atonementonline.com/orderofmass/Rite1.html

Their home page is here:

www.atonementonline.com/index.php

Note that the celebration is ad orientem.

GKC

 

[7_Sorrows]

You are very welcome.

I’d like a chance to look it over, too. I’ve seen a copy of the frontispiece my friend made for it, and like all his work, it’s great.

The liturgy itself, as I said, is based on Rite I (that’s another use of the word Rite) from the 1979 prayer book used by the Episcopal Church. IMO, the 1928 Book of Common Prayer would have been a better choice. But a well done Anglican Mass can be beautiful.

Here’s a look at the AU liturgy, from the site of one of the Texas AU parishes, OL of Atonement:

www.atonementonline.com/orderofmass/Rite1.html

Their home page is here:

www.atonementonline.com/index.php

Note that the celebration is ad orientem.

thanks GKC for the links. the liturgy is indeed beautiful and, hopefully, someday i can attend an anglican use mass. the 1928 prayer book is special to me and i think it would have been a better choice also, but i guess this is a start. i agree that an anglican mass is also very beautiful.

 

[Sunflower15]

yes, i know of an ex-episcopal priest with a wife and 4 kids who is in the process of becoming a roman catholic priest. he will be ordained this winter.

depending on how many anglicans could possibly convert to catholicism in the future, the anglican use rite could be in existence for some time. i have not seen the rite.
i converted last year and the latin rite is fine with me, but if i were close to a parish with an anglican use rite, i would like to visit one and see what it is like.

i don’t have ewtn right now and i really miss it. sounds like it was an interesting show.
was it on the program the Journey Home (or something like that)?

Yes, precisely! Nice program, it helps me understand what people of other faiths mean when they use certain terms, which would have meant something entirely different to me, and vice versa. It also explains how some of our beliefs are explained to congregations, so when we reply, our reply is expected and rebutted without ever having been thought about… a great disadvantage in an argument!

I hardly watch TV frankly, but would like to watch more EWTN.

 

[Sunflower15]

Not to get technical, but that isn’t technically correct because (technically) it’s a “usage” within the Roman Rite, rather than a separate “rite”. (There are some other Western rites, besides the Roman Rite, e.g. the Ambrosian Rite and the Mozarabic Rite, but they are little used.)

Makes sense, but that is what they called it on that show…and I’m surprised they said “English” rather than “Anglican”…maybe the priest used to be Episcopalian instead of Anglican. I can’t remember. It was a few months ago.

Technically, though, you are probably right.