Lutherans

[FireFromHeaven]

What are good arguements for use against Lutherans? Does anyone know any good books or websites to research this on? Where exactly do they veer from catholic doctrine?

 

[DavidFilmer]

I notice that you have recently asked a similar question about Methodists, Adventists, Calvanism, Baptists, Lutherans, Zarathusterism, Zoroastrianism, Rastafarianism, Confucianism, and Islam.

You seem very inquisitive, and appear to have a substantial amount of free time to devote to research of topics that would fill the Library of Alexandria. Please forgive me for also noting that your questions are also indicative that you are a troll, and should be ignored.

 

[JonNC]

What are good arguements for use against Lutherans? Does anyone know any good books or websites to research this on? Where exactly do they veer from catholic doctrine?

As a Lutheran, I would suggest the following:

1. Spent the vast majority of your time learning the Catholic faith. If you do, you may soon find that what we believe, teach, and confess are generally irrelevant to you. If you find they are not irrelevant, then you have a whole new problem to wrestle with.
2. Spend any extra time reading the Lutheran confessions, known as the Book of Concord, found online at www.bookofconcord.org. Knowing what we believe will make it easier for you to know where we agree, hence no need for “good arguments” against us, and where we disagree, which might lead you interesting dialogue and discussion, instead of argument.

Just my thoughts.

Jon

 

[pablope]

What are good arguements for use against Lutherans? Does anyone know any good books or websites to research this on? Where exactly do they veer from catholic doctrine?

This is my suggestion…spend your time studying the Catholic faith…start with the Catechism…the Church Fathers, the encylicals.

Then when you encounter Lutherans, Methodists, Anglicans, etc…then you will know how they deviate from the Catholic Faith…and you can then formulate your defense of the CC.

 

[pablope]

As a Lutheran, I would suggest the following:

1. Spent the vast majority of your time learning the Catholic faith. If you do, you may soon find that what we believe, teach, and confess are generally irrelevant to you. If you find they are not irrelevant, then you have a whole new problem to wrestle with.

 

[MaryT777]

What are good arguements for use against Lutherans? Does anyone know any good books or websites to research this on? Where exactly do they veer from catholic doctrine?

The Lutherans cannot be discussed without noting which synod they profess their faith in.
That is most evident by the posters we have that always delineate their synods LCMS
or ELCA currently (seen no WELS posters) and they digress on major issues
justification, women clergy, abortion, homosexuality, realtions with the RC Church,
close closed or open communion.

Thus the simplistic answer to learn all you can about the Catholic faith does not help really for most all protestants seem to think they have a good understanding of Catholicism and yet come to different conclusions about what “they believe” it teaches is.

Reading the Lutheran Confessions and Concord book will not get you real far either for
the unwritten “secret” is that some Lutherans consider themselves confessional but not
"some others: Note however they seem to try their hardest to show a unified front on the message board that really does not exist on paper anyway between the ELCA and LCMS.

Justification which is the key issue has been ironed out by the ELCA with the RC Church.

Therfore you’ll find more disagreements between the two synods currently than with
the RC church actually in the ELCA.

 

[MaryT777]

This is my suggestion…spend your time studying the Catholic faith…start with the Catechism…the Church Fathers, the encylicals.

Then when you encounter Lutherans, Methodists, Anglicans, etc…then you will know how they deviate from the Catholic Faith…and you can then formulate your defense of the CC.

It won’t be that easy though for their are HUGE various beliefs amongh Lutherans
Methodists and Anglicans as well. You can argue women clergy with one Lutheran just to find out the other one in the ELCA has women pastors…
oh what a web we weave.

 

[JonNC]

The Lutherans cannot be discussed without noting which synod they profess their faith in.
That is most evident by the posters we have that always delineate their synods LCMS
or ELCA currently (seen no WELS posters) and they digress on major issues
justification, women clergy, abortion, homosexuality, realtions with the RC Church,
close closed or open communion.

Thus the simplistic answer to learn all you can about the Catholic faith does not help really for most all protestants seem to think they have a good understanding of Catholicism and yet come to different conclusions about what “they believe” it teaches is.

Reading the Lutheran Confessions and Concord book will not get you real far either for
the unwritten “secret” is that some Lutherans consider themselves confessional but not
"some others: Note however they seem to try their hardest to show a unified front on the message board that really does not exist on paper anyway between the ELCA and LCMS.

Justification which is the key issue has been ironed out by the ELCA with the RC Church.

Therfore you’ll find more disagreements between the two synods currently than with
the RC church actually in the ELCA.

Yet on the main points of doctrine, the Book of Concord is the confessional document of Lutheranism. That some Lutherans have veered from it and scripture is disappointing, and is perhaps a strong argument against them.

Jon