Luther's view of the Pope

[ontheway1]

What influence could/did the Ottoman Turk invasion of Hungary at that time have on the reformation and the papacy?

 

[guanophore]

What influence could/did the Ottoman Turk invasion of Hungary at that time have on the reformation and the papacy?

Sounds like a great essay question for a history class! A little beyond the scope of this thread, though…

 

[donbosco77]

luther was a heretic excommunicated by the church

 

[JonNC]

luther was a heretic excommunicated by the church

And this adds to the conversation how?
I would contend that one can’t complain about what Luther said about the Papacy if this is your go-to comment.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Pope Leo X, was of the corrupt Medici Family of Florence.

When Luther first visited Rome, he witness clergy selling indulgences with the promise that the buyer would go directly to heaven, bypassing purgatory. They needed to fill the coffers of the Pope, who had splurged on his luxurious lifestyle

He then witness Pope Leo, riding into the city with his Papa Amry, wearing gold plated armor and riding upon a white horse. The people had to bow with their heads to the ground as he passed by.

If such a pope existed today, we’d all be excommunicated as we protested against his abuse.

Jim

 

[JonNC]

Even the Catholic Church does not extend that determination after death. So, from the Catholic view, “was a heretic “.

But again, if this is the go-to statement, don’t complain about The Lutheran reformers’ accusations about the Papacy.

 

[ontheway1]

So, how do we get out of this mess? It sounds like a family quarrel that has lasted for 500 years. Maybe long enough?

 

[Maximilian75]

@ltwin @ontheway1

With both this and the Anglican Schism, one has to remember the temporal power struggle at play here. the Pope was a temporal monarch (ergo the papal tiara), as well as the Vicar of Christ, and so these separations represented a threat to the political power of the Papacy as well as the well-being of souls.

 

[ontheway1]

Right. But that was then. Do these issues matter much now?

 

[Maximilian75]

Not the temporal authority, no. The Papal States are gone and so is the Tiara ( ), but one has to view history in-context. Politics and theology were deeply entangled, with one impacting the other deeply

 

[JonNC]

So, how do we get out of this mess? It sounds like a family quarrel that has lasted for 500 years. Maybe long enough?

I agree…