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Big_Feet
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What are the most common (and possibly generally accepted) luturgical abuses that those here often see during the OF of the Holy Mass? What would be the correction to those abuses?
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YoungTradCath
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Problem: over use of EMs. Solution: use clerics instead. We have five priests and three deacons at this parish. I don’t see the issue.
Problem: gender-neutral language. Solution: faithful priests who catechize their congregations properly and celebrate the texts faithfully.
I think this thread will be a very good one, as long as people are constructive.
Problem: gender-neutral language. Solution: faithful priests who catechize their congregations properly and celebrate the texts faithfully.
I think this thread will be a very good one, as long as people are constructive.
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Big_Feet
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Our parish has 1 priest, and 3 deacons. There is usually at least one deacon at each mass. We have 5 masses each weekend, and 6-800 people at each. EMs are necessary to keep mass to a reasonable time frame. In our parish, they are very much needed, and not abused, IMHO
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YoungTradCath
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Okay, but there are many parishes that do over-use EMs. I don’t want to argue about specific parishes. It is factual to say that there are many parishes that over-use EMs. I respect the fact that your parish needs them. Okay. I shall pray for vocations for your parish. Perhaps you could ask father if he would mind instituting some acolytes?
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mro
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I’m quite ignorant here… 
What’s liturgical abuse?!
What’s liturgical abuse?!
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ConstantineTG
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The solution is not so simple. Most parishes have 1 priest and 3 or more Masses over the weekend (including Saturday evening). Using clerics means having more of them, and that is where the problem lies. How to get more of them.
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YoungTradCath
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Liturgical abuse is when something goes on in a liturgy (usually the mass) that isn’t supposed to happen. It could be an addition, a removal, or a distortion. For example, if the priest intentionally messes with the words of the missal. Or if the priest is blatantly irreverent or something. Liturgical abuse is a very broad thing.I’m quite ignorant here…
What’s liturgical abuse?!
The basic thing is that liturgical abuse can be said to be not paying the full respect required and demanded of people who are present for a liturgy (again, usually the mass) by their actions or omissions.
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Thomas_Casey
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BVM_1221
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Could you give me some idea of what abuses you are thinking of, other then the obvious that the OF is not like the EF?
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YoungTradCath
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Well, I left that implied. Of course we need more clerics.
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Big_Feet
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Thats just it. Some here speak of abuses within the Ordinary Form of the mass, and I am just curious what are comon ones that they see, and how would they suggest the fix. That is all.Could you give me some idea of what abuses you are thinking of, other then the obvious that the OF is not like the EF?
I am unfamiliar with the Extraordinary Form or the Eastern Church’s Divine Liturgy, as I have only been to one experience of each, though I would like to experience more of each, as it is a joy to understand the fullness of our varying traditions within the Church.
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Nicea325
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Solutions? Easy. Follow what has been subscribed and written for the Liturgy.
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Big_Feet
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What about the “vague” areas, where something is not addressed.
For example: Some say the choice of music is an “abuse” but does it say anywhere in the Rubrics specificly which types of music should be used??
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Corki
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The biggest abuse I see is changing of the words. This happens mostly with parts of the Mass set to music such as the Gloria and the Agnus Dei. All that needs to happen to correct it, is for the pastor to firmly tell the music director to keep to the approved texts.
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WoundedIcon
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Nope. Bad music is permitted, but it’s still a dumb idea
. Gregorian chant is preferred according to the Church’s documents, but that’s mainly because it’s fits the Mass, being as conducive to contemplation as it is. If something else can be found that’s as conducive, IMO that’s fine as well.
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thistle
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We have 10 Masses every Sunday to accommodate 10,000 plus people. We have average 80% Mass attendance rate. We only have 3 priests. Without EMHC’s it would be impossible.
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YoungTradCath
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Again, fantastic. It’s fine if your parish uses them and needs them. That is one thing. However, I have been in many parishes (including my own) that have an overabundance of priests and just don’t use them. People say, “My parish needs EMs” to counter my argument. That is besides the point.
Can we assume that in this thread that if your parish for some unforeseen circumstance, out of absolute necessity, does something that it (technically-speaking) shouldn’t, or is not ideal, we shan’t argue that your parish’s needs breaks the rule altogether?
It can be assumed, I think, that if your parish needs EMs, it can use them.
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choliks
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Not to mention the Shrines and Cathedrals here with hourly masses starting at 6AM ending at 8PM. The only break would be 1PM to 3PM.
With regards to OP. I’ve seen a bishop do something that seemed like sign language during the Our Father. It was really odd, but nobody from the laity spoke against it. I didn’t question it too under obedience.
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MartyrForJesus
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You must have a lot of clerics! Most parishes over here have a single priest, except for the FSSP parish which has a priest, a deacon and a sub-deacon.
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MartyrForJesus
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I think YoungTradCath meant parishes that have an army of EMHC’s, yet have 30 people in the pews.
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