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Hello there. I was wondering if Macbeth is a banned book by the Church?
Does the Church have anything to say about this book? Can I read it??
Thankyou very much and God Bless
 
Hello there. I was wondering if Macbeth is a banned book by the Church?
Does the Church have anything to say about this book? Can I read it??
Thankyou very much and God Bless
Of course, you can. It’s Shakespeare.
 
The Church doesn’t have a list of banned books. It’s up to you, your conscience, and how effected you are by the material.
 
The list of banned books has gone to the wayside several decades ago. Further, it was mostly things such as theological heresy rather than books that normal people would read. MacBeth is part of the curriculum in many Catholic High School English classes. It’s actually my favorite work by Shakespeare.
 
MacBeth is not banned or disfavored by the Church.

Your inquiry is interesting, though, because my son, while in college wrote a paper detailing how extraordinarily Catholic the play is, notwithstanding that it was written during the reign of protestant Elizabeth I. The way he put the paper together, as I recall, was by taking the central moral and theological elements of it and demonstrating how every bit of it was derived from Catholic philosophy and theology; from the witches right down to the duel with MacDuff. He cited Catholic doctrinal sources to demonstrate it.

Interestingly, those elements conflicted with the protestantism of his time. So, why, my son asked, rhetorically, was it recognizable to his audience, and how did he get away with it?

It was, he opined, recognizable to his audience because protestantism was fairly new in England at the time and while the court and much of the nobility understood and formally adopted protestantism, ordinary people were not “educated” in it and were more attuned to Catholic ways of thinking. The crown, my son argued, realized that and let it go.

It is true as well that Henry VIII was far less “protestant” than was his daughter Elizabeth I, and even many who had gone along with Henry’s schism still did not believe much differently than they had under Henry.

Shakespeare can be a tough read because of the language and because plays are a bit difficult as “reading” material. The dramatist has far less time to develop his thesis and has to do it in a dramatically striking way. That’s why, for example, the witches are more a dramatic device than they are intended to be literal. They get a lot out in very few lines and very meaningfully.

MacBeth’s short duel and concise dialogue with MacDuff is the same way. A lot is compacted into a very few lines and actions.

But, on the assumption you are considering reading the play, I’ll say the following.

The witches’ message is the eternal message of the tempter. It directs us away from a course of action that is determined by our perception of moral duty, to one that is directed to ends that are not given to us by Divine Providence. That direction is always a deceit.

When we become sufficiently immersed in sin, repentence becomes difficult, and we temporize with it. If we ultimately reject it, we are lost. MacDuff tells MacBeth the price of true repentence and salvation; of mercy, actually, despite his evil deeds. But MacBeth’s pride will not allow him to do it.

It’s almost embarrassing to realize, as one feels compelled to do, that Shakespeare’s audience would have been better grounded in Catholic doctrines concerning good and evil than we are today. That’s why MacBeth and a lot of Shakespeare goes over peoples’ heads today.

The play is as Catholic as Catholic gets. Hope this helps.
 
The list of banned books has gone to the wayside several decades ago. Further, it was mostly things such as theological heresy rather than books that normal people would read. MacBeth is part of the curriculum in many Catholic High School English classes. It’s actually my favorite work by Shakespeare.
Your comment implies that books on the previous Index of Forbidden Books which no longer exists may be read now. I mention this because the fact that this list no longer exists does not mean that the books which were on it may be read now. They may not.
 
Your comment implies that books on the previous Index of Forbidden Books which no longer exists may be read now. I mention this because the fact that this list no longer exists does not mean that the books which were on it may be read now. They may not.
If they may not be read, how does one combat the heresies that they contain?
 
If they may not be read, how does one combat the heresies that they contain?
Why would you have to read one of these books to combat heresy?
Its the Church that combats heresy and the Church that forbids these books to be read.

In 1966 when the Index was abolished many thought this meant the works listed on it could be read. Cardinal Ratzinger addressed this issue with respect to the “Poem of the Man-God,” in the aforementioned Letter saying,

“After the dissolution of the Index, when some people thought the printing and distribution of the work was permitted, people were reminded again in ‘LOsservatore Romano’ (June 15, 1966) that, as was published in the ‘Acta Apostolicae Sedis’ (1966),** the Index retains its moral force despite its dissolution.** A decision against distributing and recommending a work, which has not beeen condemned lightly, may be reversed, but only after profound changes that neutralize the harm which such a publication could bring forth among the ordinary faithful.”
 
Your comment implies that books on the previous Index of Forbidden Books which no longer exists may be read now. I mention this because the fact that this list no longer exists does not mean that the books which were on it may be read now. They may not.
So, can I read Les Miserables? That was on the index.
 
Why would you have to read one of these books to combat heresy?
Its the Church that combats heresy and the Church that forbids these books to be read.
The Church is people. In order for the Church to combat the heresy that is in those books SOMEBODY has to read them in order to form apology against them. Therefore, they can’t be banned for everyone. Are they banned for eveyone or just for stupid schmucks like us while allowed for certain individuals on a “need to know” basis? If I was a famous theologian or apologist, would I be allowed to read them them? Would I have to ask permission first? And even if no one even reads those books now a days, I’m sure someone somewhere has come up with the same old heresies. Wouldn’t it be beneficial to know how others argued for them in the past, in order to fight them?
 
So, can I read Les Miserables? That was on the index.
Are you kidding me? Why? I’ve actually read that book, (at least the English version) and if there is a reason it was on that list it must have been lost in translation!
 
Say, where is this list anyway? Is there a copy of it online? I want to see if I’ve read any others on the naughty list.
 
Are you kidding me? Why? I’ve actually read that book, (at least the English version) and if there is a reason it was on that list it must have been lost in translation!
I’ve read it too. I forget the reasoning why it was condemned. But to tell the truth, I am not too concerned. I think it is a little rediculous.

You can find it, or atleast many of the books that were on the list through a google search of the index of forbidden books.
 
The Church is people. In order for the Church to combat the heresy that is in those books SOMEBODY has to read them in order to form apology against them. Therefore, they can’t be banned for everyone. Are they banned for eveyone or just for stupid schmucks like us while allowed for certain individuals on a “need to know” basis? If I was a famous theologian or apologist, would I be allowed to read them them? Would I have to ask permission first? And even if no one even reads those books now a days, I’m sure someone somewhere has come up with the same old heresies. Wouldn’t it be beneficial to know how others argued for them in the past, in order to fight them?
It is not the lay faithful who set out doctrines or disciplines. When the Church forbids or strongly discourages Catholics to read certain books it is not the lay faithful who issue such an instruction.

Again taking the example of the book The Poem of the Man God which was on the List:

…In 1959 when the “Poem” was put on the Index of Forbidden Books, it was described as “a badly fictionalized life of Christ” (L’Osservatore Romano, quoted by Cardinal Ratzinger in a letter to Cardinal Siri, 31 January 1985). Catholics were warned that it was not to be considered as revealed by God, and in fact, under the rules of the Index, no one, not even a priest, could read the volumes without a serious reason (e.g. to refute its errors) and the permission of the bishop or religious superior.…
 
I’ve read it too. I forget the reasoning why it was condemned. But to tell the truth, I am not too concerned. I think it is a little rediculous.

You can find it, or atleast many of the books that were on the list through a google search of the index of forbidden books.
That book specificly has alot of Christian themes in it. Forgiveness being the most prominant. I don’t get it.
 
It is not the lay faithful who set out doctrines or disciplines. When the Church forbids or strongly discourages Catholics to read certain books it is not the lay faithful who issue such an instruction.

Again taking the example of the book The Poem of the Man God which was on the List:

…In 1959 when the “Poem” was put on the Index of Forbidden Books, it was described as “a badly fictionalized life of Christ” (L’Osservatore Romano, quoted by Cardinal Ratzinger in a letter to Cardinal Siri, 31 January 1985). Catholics were warned that it was not to be considered as revealed by God, and in fact, under the rules of the Index, no one, not even a priest, could read the volumes without a serious reason (e.g. to refute its errors) and the permission of the bishop or religious superior…
I believe the magestarium is also people? The folks who discourage reading these books must have read them.
 
I believe the magestarium is also people? The folks who discourage reading these books must have read them.
Obviously. Didn’t you read the part I bolded and underlined??

" under the rules of the Index, no one, not even a priest, could read the volumes without a serious reason (e.g. to refute its errors) and the permission of the bishop or religious superior"
 
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