MADISON: 22 Aug – Pontifical Mass at the Throne – Immaculate Heart of Mary

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The Mass will be in the Roman Rite’s older, traditional form, sometimes called the “Extraordinary Form.” The music will be in Gregorian chant and Renaissance polyphony, with motets and hymns, including:
Bishop’s Entrance: Ecce sacerdos magnus, Rev. Ludwig Bonvin, SJ (1850–1939)
Mass Ordinary: Missa secunda a 3, Giammateo Asola (c.1532–1609); Credo III
Motet at the Offertory: Ave Maria, Jacques Arcadelt (c. 1507–1568), arr. Pierre-Louis Dietsch (1808–1865)
Motet at the Communion: Ave maris stella (alternatim), Johann Stadlmayr (1575?–1648)
Marian Antiphon after the Last Gospel: Salve Regina, tonus simplex
Recessional hymn: “Hail, Holy Queen Enthroned Above”
All are welcome.
 
A “Mass at the Throne” in the Extraordinary Form is somehow a better representation of the Sacrifice of Christ than a Mass at the altar? I read here frequently that the EF, as opposed to the OF, more accurately presents the sacrificial aspect of the liturgy. Hard to understand how a grand ritual such as this “at the throne” does this.
 
I did not find the word “better” in any part of the article.

As for sacrificial consideration, I see that one of the threads on the matter was just closed so I will respect the moderator’s wishes.
 
A “Mass at the Throne” in the Extraordinary Form is somehow a better representation of the Sacrifice of Christ than a Mass at the altar? I read here frequently that the EF, as opposed to the OF, more accurately presents the sacrificial aspect of the liturgy. Hard to understand how a grand ritual such as this “at the throne” does this.
The texts of the older Liturgy may emphasize the sacrificial nature in more… but regardless, the Mass isn’t limited to the cross. It is also a celebration of Christ’s victory. It is an encounter with the Risen Lord. The Bishop “at the throne” represents Christ the King. Sacrifice also doesn’t always imply simplicity. The Old Testament ritual sacrifices were presided over by priests in beautiful vestments in a magnificent temple lined with gold… all at God’s command.
FYI - I’m not arguing that the EF is superior to the OF. Both forms have their advantages. But a solemn pontifical Mass like this does a great job at externally reflecting the glories of “heaven on earth”.
P.S. Every cathedral has a throne. It’s used in the OF Mass too.
 
I don’t get it?

My Bishop celebrated Mass with us this morning, as per his roster round the Diocese.

Now My Bishop is a very humble Holy man. But he always enters as per his clergy , sits in his chair- the Bishop Chair. Takes his hat off at the appropriate time, dismisses and blesses the kids doing RE for rites, baptises the babies and gets us to clap.

Even blesses our stuff when we accost him nicely.
Today he looked at an article for me, read it’s Latin seals to me, (yes he speaks and reads Latin)’ then discussed if it truly were a relic or not.

Mass can’t be any more sacred or holy, or any of his actions , despite how My Bishop conducts Mass.

My Bishop celebrates Mass in the Cathedral, with his chair, and in tiny rural churches where there are no special chairs. It’s all the same.

Same Mass, same Jesus, same Bishop, same consecration, all chairs made of wood, some fancy, some not.
 
I don’t get it?

My Bishop celebrated Mass with us this morning, as per his roster round the Diocese.

Now My Bishop is a very humble Holy man. But he always enters as per his clergy , sits in his chair- the Bishop Chair. Takes his hat off at the appropriate time, dismisses and blesses the kids doing RE for rites, baptises the babies and gets us to clap.

Even blesses our stuff when we accost him nicely.
Today he looked at an article for me, read it’s Latin seals to me, (yes he speaks and reads Latin)’ then discussed if it truly were a relic or not.

Mass can’t be any more sacred or holy, or any of his actions , despite how My Bishop conducts Mass.

My Bishop celebrates Mass in the Cathedral, with his chair, and in tiny rural churches where there are no special chairs. It’s all the same.

Same Mass, same Jesus, same Bishop, same consecration, all chairs made of wood, some fancy, some not.
That’s not the Church’s traditional understanding. Yes, the presence of Christ is objectively, intrinsically equivalent at all Masses… but the Lord is infinite, as are His graces, and we are finite. Our temporal expression of the eternal heavenly Liturgy can take on more or less solemnity depending on the occasion. Traditionally, the pontifical high Mass was seen as the “ideal” - but even that, with all of its pomp and glory, falls short of the true majesty of the heavenly Liturgy we seek to imititate.
Symbolic expressions that point to the mysteries of the faith matter for Catholics. Ours is a sacramental faith.
 
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