MAGIC? evil or not?

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What sorts?

Are we talking about the intention to use magic, or the morality of certain actions performed with magic?
 
James1215 said:
What sorts?

Are we talking about the intention to use magic, or the morality of certain actions performed with magic?
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I’ve wondered the same, which is why I voted “not all are evil” A sorcerer’s cult is evil, but say a magician is not.

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I was wondering that too. Stage magic is well…tricks, illusions. Assuming that “real magic” is actually real and not something that goes on in one’s head (and the jury in my head is out on that), I’d say it’s morally neutral, it’s the intent of the practitioner that matters (even good intentions can sometimes produce not-so-good results).
 
Now obviously state magic is not evil. I posted this to clarify my poll choice as I voted all magic is evil. I think the poll could have been a bit more descriptive as to what magic we were talking about.

If it is anything that is condemned in the Bible and or the Magisterial Teaching of the Church, then yes it is evil.

God bless.
 
Clarify your poll. I did not vote, because it is not clear. Poorly written.

Rabbit out of a hat - no.
Pulling a quarter from behind a child’s ear - no.
card tricks - no.
David Blaine - no.
David Copperfield, et al - no.
Magic in fictional movies and books - no.
Waving a twig or stick around and saying “abra cadabra” while wearing a top hat and cape - no.
Which leaves sorcery - which the Bible says is evil.
 
‘Magic’ in the David Copperfield, entertainment sense is tricks, illusions, and sleights of hand. It’s no more real than pro wrestling. It’s an act - nothing more.

What people talk about as ‘magic’ in the sense of witches and sorcerers is evil - it is an attempt to draw on energies and powers that are not of this world and not given to us by God. It seeks to find those extraordinary abilities through media that are not God, and that is evil.
 
Echoing the others here about needing clarification.
There also needs to be a “i don’t believe in magic” option if you’re talking about spells and whatnot. This would be my pick.
If you mean the illusionist types of “magic”- no. I don’t consider that evil.
 
Little_One0307 said:
Now obviously state magic is not evil. I posted this to clarify my poll choice as I voted all magic is evil. I think the poll could have been a bit more descriptive as to what magic we were talking about.

If it is anything that is condemned in the Bible and or the Magisterial Teaching of the Church, then yes it is evil.

God bless.
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Ditto.
Ignoring stage magic and “fun” tricks, of course: anything which violates the laws of nature, or which is claimed to violate the laws of nature, and which discounts God, is evil.
 
As a magician, I put down not all are evil. If you are trying to convice people that you have powers and can contact the dead, then yes that is evil. But if you see a guy performing little tricks, they arent magic and they aren’t evil. If any magicians had sold their soul to the devil or had any actual power they’d be doing supernatural acts all the time. If I had any real powers I’d be manipulating fire and have an extraordinary life doing whatever I want whenever.
 
"Magic and Sorcery/Witchcraft? - Yes - Always evil

“Illusionists” who perform tricks and illusions to fascinate us as entertainment ONLY - No
(providing that the illusionist doesn’t profess belief in the occult.

I live in Vegas. I’ve gone and seen Lance Burton, Chris Angel, etc. to have optical illusions pefrormed in front of me for enterainment purposes. At no time have I ever believed they possess any supernatural powers, nor do I think they claim to. They are mathematicians and engineers with good hand/eye coordination, who have figured out how to fool us for amusement, and to make a living in an entertainment city.

If one of these guys came out and started doing voodoo or some such thing, and praying some dark chant to the pagan gods or baal, I’d be out of there in a flash.
 
Catholic90 said:
Clarify your poll. I did not vote, because it is not clear. Poorly written.

Rabbit out of a hat - no.
Pulling a quarter from behind a child’s ear - no.
card tricks - no.
David Blaine - no.
David Copperfield, et al - no.
Magic in fictional movies and books - no.
Waving a twig or stick around and saying “abra cadabra” while wearing a top hat and cape - no.
Which leaves sorcery - which the Bible says is evil.
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Very well put.
 
Catholic90 said:
Clarify your poll. I did not vote, because it is not clear. Poorly written.

Rabbit out of a hat - no.
Pulling a quarter from behind a child’s ear - no.
card tricks - no.
David Blaine - no.
David Copperfield, et al - no.
Magic in fictional movies and books - no.
Waving a twig or stick around and saying “abra cadabra” while wearing a top hat and cape - no.
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Oh darn, you beat me to it. T.T
Catholic90 said:
Which leaves sorcery - which the Bible says is evil.
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Actually the word ‘sorcery’ is no more definitive than the word ‘magic’ and in fact I like it that way. A stage magician or a fantasy author can use it as a label just as freely.
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Little_One0307 said:
I’ll join ya. http://bestsmileys.com/eating1/1.gif
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sighs I might as well… :rolleyes:

summons black fire to his hand Go ahead… make this Planeswalker’s day. :cool:
 
My question was more along the lines of sorcery, rather than stage tricks.

Is there a distinction between the morality of trying to practice sorcery, and the question of the morality of actions that have been enacted by supernatural means?
 
James1215 said:
My question was more along the lines of sorcery, rather than stage tricks.

Is there a distinction between the morality of trying to practice sorcery, and the question of the morality of actions that have been enacted by supernatural means?
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For an act to be considered good, it must satisfy 3 conditions: Good intentions, good means, and a good end.

Case 1 (Bad intent): You attempt to make a magical potion to cure a sick friend. You actually use real ingredients with real medicinal uses (tea leaves, aloe, etc) and make your friend better. However, your intent was to heal them using ‘magic’, so the act is sinful.

Case 2 (Bad means): You want to save a sick friend, and hypothetically cured them with magic. Then you would be sinning as well.

Case 3 (Bad result): This one wouldn’t really apply to the use of sorcery because it can never have good means. A more commonplace example (and this may be stretching it) would be knowing you aren’t a pharmacist but wanting to cure your friend, so you mix together some real medications, but together they harm your friend. This may be sinful depending on how aware you were that it should be done by a professional and mixing medicines could harm someone.

Granted, the most common example of the use of sorcery is Case #2, but I included all 3 to try and give you some perspective on how complete good actions must be. Regardless of what Meat Loaf thinks, 2 out of 3 is bad…
 
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