Magic in real life

[Sky_River]

There is power in the occult, like witch craft and new age, sometimes if not most times it is bogus but not always. The actual results would always be coming from fallen angels.

What is the purpose behind the occult-to keep people in bondage so they don’t achieve salvation?

 

[edwest2]

well that’s because in our world, there are no extra forces of physics to be manipulated. and there is no magical genetic trait
and no benevolent fairy godmothers to invoke

And yet people get involved with it all the time. There are a few shops that I know of. I won’t mention what they sell but they aren’t around because they don’t make money.

There is real evil in the world and physics has nothing to do with it. Miracles happen and physics has nothing to do with that.

Ed

 

[edwest2]

What is the purpose behind the occult-to keep people in bondage so they don’t achieve salvation?

It is a deception designed to do just that. Having studied it for some years, it is a substitute for the living God, and a way to involve yourself with demonic beings that are given pleasant sounding names and benevolent traits who will help you in some way. If only you let them.

Sometimes, those who once knew God or are reminded of Him, realize what is happening and seek help. It is possible to break free but difficult. Even a few who have rejected Christianity are led, in various ways, out of the trap they are in.

But why get involved in the first place?

1 Peter 5:8

Parallel Verses
New International Version
Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

New Living Translation
Stay alert! Watch out for your great enemy, the devil. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour.

English Standard Version
Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

God bless,
Ed

 

[Sky_River]

It is a deception designed to do just that. Having studied it for some years, it is a substitute for the living God, and a way to involve yourself with demonic beings that are given pleasant sounding names and benevolent traits who will help you in some way. If only you let them.

Sometimes, those who once knew God or are reminded of Him, realize what is happening and seek help. It is possible to break free but difficult. Even a few who have rejected Christianity are led, in various ways, out of the trap they are in.

**But why get involved in the first place?
**

1 Peter 5:8

Parallel Verses
New International Version
Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

New Living Translation
Stay alert! Watch out for your great enemy, the devil. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour.

English Standard Version
Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

God bless,
Ed

What about the more extreme forms of it?

I agree, involvement is foolish and insane to say the least.

 

[styrgwillidar]

Magic in real life: derived from cooperation/association with demonic forces. It is not truly under the control of the person attempting it.

Magic in fantasy: Imaginary and a creation of an author in supposing an alternate reality of their own invention which they insert into their story, for whatever reason the author intends. It operates in accordance with whatever rules the author provides for their imaginary universe/reality.

 

[Sky_River]

Magic in real life: derived from cooperation/association with demonic forces. It is not truly under the control of the person attempting it.

Magic in fantasy: Imaginary and a creation of an author in supposing an alternate reality of their own invention which they insert into their story, for whatever reason the author intends. It operates in accordance with whatever rules the author provides for their imaginary universe/reality.

But isnt the concept demonic in origin?

 

[mVitus]

Chess was originally inspired from war. So am I advocating war when I play chess?

There’s a fundamental difference. Comparing the two is a bit extreme. So it goes with fantasy stories.

 

[edwest2]

Magic that is made up for a book is not “magic in real life,” but the author has a responsibility to not make magical ideas too appealing, or suggest New Age beliefs as being good.

Ed

 

[Dorothy]

Michael D. O’Brien wrote a book called “A Landscape with Dragons…The Battle for Your Child’s Mind.”

In my opinion he is an excellent Catholic novelist.

I read this book when it first came out; it has many valuable insights.

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[edwest2]

Michael D. O’Brien wrote a book called “A Landscape with Dragons…The Battle for Your Child’s Mind.”

In my opinion he is an excellent Catholic novelist.

I read this book when it first came out; it has many valuable insights.

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Thank you. As someone who has been doing creative things, like writing, for a long time, there is clear evidence that Popular Culture has taken a downward turn for the most part. Ultimately, parents should guide their children but “the books I read growing up” have changed. They just have.

It appears to me that a desired “freedom” needs wisdom behind it. Writers should take that into account. Good books today have still got to be edited. The author needs to be aware of the message he’s sending. Some people take on the character and mindset of the times. They may have gotten some cool ideas from other books they’ve read or movies and TV, but they need standards. For example: No profanity, no sexual situations, no lewd and crude, and respect and diplomacy in stories help balance things out. I know about “real magic.” And curious minds need to be kept away from that door. Make it fantasy and explore the fantastic, but keep the real out.

Ed

 

[Dorothy]

Thank you. As someone who has been doing creative things, like writing, for a long time, there is clear evidence that Popular Culture has taken a downward turn for the most part. Ultimately, parents should guide their children but “the books I read growing up” have changed. They just have.

It appears to me that a desired “freedom” needs wisdom behind it. Writers should take that into account. Good books today have still got to be edited. The author needs to be aware of the message he’s sending. Some people take on the character and mindset of the times. They may have gotten some cool ideas from other books they’ve read or movies and TV, but they need standards. For example: No profanity, no sexual situations, no lewd and crude, and respect and diplomacy in stories help balance things out. I know about “real magic.” And curious minds need to be kept away from that door. Make it fantasy and explore the fantastic, but keep the real out.

Ed

Two wonderful books I have read as a child were “Pinochio” (the original), by Carlo Collodi and “King Midas and the Golden Touch”.( I think Nathaniel Hawthorne wrote it?..I need to look that up.

My grandchildren were impressed.

Then there are these short stories: Oscar Wilde’s “The Selfish Giant”, and “The Little Match Girl”. I need to research and learn who wrote the second one.

Very moving, beautiful stories. One of my grandaughters wanted her mother to read “The Selfish Giant” to her over and over.

 

[Nelka]

Two wonderful books I have read as a child were “Pinochio” (the original), by Carlo Collodi and “King Midas and the Golden Touch”.( I think Nathaniel Hawthorne wrote it?..I need to look that up.

My grandchildren were impressed.

Then there are these short stories: Oscar Wilde’s “The Selfish Giant”, and “The Little Match Girl”. I need to research and learn who wrote the second one.

Very moving, beautiful stories. One of my grandaughters wanted her mother to read “The Selfish Giant” to her over and over.

I loved the selfish giant story as a child.

 

[Dorothy]

I loved the selfish giant story as a child.

I first heard about it when my children were much younger and at Christmas time they had it on TV in cartoon form. I watched it with them and never forgot it. Frosty the snowman is cute, but The Selfish Giant had substance!

 

[Sky_River]

Well I’ve never watched Buffy but talking about a force to be manipulated sounds like The Force. In the case of the Jedi it’s their own innate ability to manipulate it, not calling on the occult, so there’s still a difference.

What’s the difference between magic and the occult?

 

[punisherthunder]

Magic does exists.

Through my own research, no matter how benign a magic spell, witch, or charm seems, it all has recourse to Lucifer. The best way that I can put is that it is like a giant tree with many branches and many leaves. Sure a leaf on the top of the tree seems quite a ways to the bottom of it, but it still comes from the root…which is Lucifer.

If that isn’t enough, a larger amount of these magic spells have recourse to other gods as well. And I would venture to say that a good 50% of them are demons. The rest are either from other religions or are just purely fictional.

Casting these spells also often have a double effect. Say you want more money and try casting for such magic. Then you find a out a close relative dies, and you are left some of their money. Sure you increased your finances, but at what cost?

We have a sensational thread going on in the Back Fence forum, under “Things That Go Bump In the Night”. Feel free to join us with any questions.

 

[Sky_River]

Magic does exists.

Through my own research, no matter how benign a magic spell, witch, or charm seems, it all has recourse to Lucifer. The best way that I can put is that it is like a giant tree with many branches and many leaves. Sure a leaf on the top of the tree seems quite a ways to the bottom of it, but it still comes from the root…which is Lucifer.

If that isn’t enough, a larger amount of these magic spells have recourse to other gods as well. And I would venture to say that a good 50% of them are demons. The rest are either from other religions or are just purely fictional.

Casting these spells also often have a double effect. Say you want more money and try casting for such magic. Then you find a out a close relative dies, and you are left some of their money. Sure you increased your finances, but at what cost?

We have a sensational thread going on in the Back Fence forum, under “Things That Go Bump In the Night”. Feel free to join us with any questions.

What do you think the purpose of it is-to keep people in bondage so they are apart from God?

 

[edwest2]

What’s the difference between magic and the occult?

Magic comes in a number of forms which I can’t name. It draws upon a being who is not God, and demons. Some may claim another explanation, but in other cases, it draws upon ancient beliefs that have no basis.

The Occult is a broad subject which includes unexplained occurrences and beings, including ghosts. There are different branches but today, they fall under the name “New Age.” There is nothing new there, except for certain cults that draw in the unwary and curious.

No need to go there. I’ve seen one in action. The rituals, the belief system and fake materials claimed to come from a supernatural source.

Ed

 

[Sky_River]

Magic comes in a number of forms which I can’t name. It draws upon a being who is not God, and demons. Some may claim another explanation, but in other cases, it draws upon ancient beliefs that have no basis.

The Occult is a broad subject which includes unexplained occurrences and beings, including ghosts. There are different branches but today, they fall under the name “New Age.” There is nothing new there, except for certain cults that draw in the unwary and curious.

No need to go there. I’ve seen one in action. The rituals, the belief system and fake materials claimed to come from a supernatural source.

Ed

Do magic and witchcraft mean the same thing?

But most significantly, what do you think the goal of it is in regards to the enemy? Keeping people separated from God so they go to hell, jealousy of God?

 

[punisherthunder]

What do you think the purpose of it is-to keep people in bondage so they are apart from God?

Yes, it is to keep them apart from God. I’ve read some texts concerning the demonic and was amazed at the things demons supposedly taught man over the years. The only way man could have gotten this knowledge was through magic conjruing spells and divination.

 

[edwest2]

Do magic and witchcraft mean the same thing?

But most significantly, what do you think the goal of it is in regards to the enemy? Keeping people separated from God so they go to hell, jealousy of God?

I can’t answer your first question.

As far as your second question, deception is the primary device of the enemy. He offers false belief systems or a different version of Christ or even claims a human being is Christ and is alive today. All of us have a potentially deadly inborn illness called Original Sin. That is why some people are attracted to anything but the good. But even in those cases, God has not abandoned them. But when a person believes he can do anything and be anything, including God, then there is a very great risk. Instead of being jealous, it appears people decide believing is wrong for various reasons. They hear another voice but it is not God.

Until our last breath, there is hope for all of us with God. The day of salvation can be today.

Matthew 13:24

Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
Jesus told them another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field.

New Living Translation
Here is another story Jesus told: "The Kingdom of Heaven is like a farmer who planted good seed in his field.

English Standard Version
He put another parable before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field,

13:25

New International Version
But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away.

New Living Translation
But that night as the workers slept, his enemy came and planted weeds among the wheat, then slipped away.

English Standard Version
but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat and went away.

13:26

New International Version
When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

New Living Translation
When the crop began to grow and produce grain, the weeds also grew.

English Standard Version
So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also.

13:27

New International Version
"The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’

New Living Translation
"The farmer’s workers went to him and said, ‘Sir, the field where you planted that good seed is full of weeds! Where did they come from?’

English Standard Version
And the servants of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?’

13:28

New International Version
"‘An enemy did this,’ he replied. "The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’

New Living Translation
"‘An enemy has done this!’ the farmer exclaimed. "‘Should we pull out the weeds?’ they asked.

English Standard Version
He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ So the servants said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’

13:29

Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
"‘No,’ he answered, 'because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them.

New Living Translation
"‘No,’ he replied, 'you’ll uproot the wheat if you do.

English Standard Version
But he said, ‘No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them.

13:30

Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’"

New Living Translation
Let both grow together until the harvest. Then I will tell the harvesters to sort out the weeds, tie them into bundles, and burn them, and to put the wheat in the barn.’"

English Standard Version
Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, “Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”

Ed