Magic Mushrooms, Metanoia, and Repentance

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Ok, this is not a troll, but it is a weird bunch of questions…

I wont bore you with any back story, but I have had a significant experience and I have a lot of questions. [for everyone’s sanity, I wont write a giant wall of text 🙂 ]

First question: I was hoping someone could share any info they might have on Maria Sabina, her ceremonies, her connection to the catholic church, and what the church had to say about it.

Second question: can someone please explain what metanoia is and why/how it happens?

Third question: what is the reliving of long forgotten trespasses(sins, but not mortal sins?) accompanied by chest crushing sadness and remorse called? (this one is hard to explain. its not from a fear of hell or punishment, but from the disappointment

Praying for help.
Thanks and God Bless 🙂
 
fourth question: Is this allowed?
Catholic Priest José Luis Sánchez

 
Here is a quote “For example, we have had a lot of discussions about the indigenous concept of God. For the indigenous people God is both Father and Mother. In Europe God is only Father, that makes them feel unease, and it’s very elementary we even find it at the beginning of the Bible, the duality of God. God the Father and Mother, the masculine and the feminine in God. And in Europe it still doesn’t sound good to them, because of their macho culture, they still can’t accept the concept of God Mother. The maternal face of God, even being in the Bible, Europe has not been able to assimilate.”

sounds platonics? maybe even gnostic? the catholic church is ok with that kind of stuff?
 
PeterDaErmite said:
First question: I was hoping someone could share any info they might have on Maria Sabina, her ceremonies, her connection to the catholic church, and what the church had to say about it.
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Have you tried Wikipedia or asking Catholic Answers?
 
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can someone please explain what metanoia is and why/how it happens?
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metanoia = μετάνοια literally means to “change one’s mind”. In a Christian context it describes a 180 degree turn away from one way of living to a different way of living.
 
I looked at the website associated with this video. It appears to be somebody making a pro-psychedelic movie.

There is absolutely no background information about this supposed “Catholic priest” such as what parish he is serving, who his bishop is, etc. No way to tell whether he is a legitimate Catholic priest at all, or ever was, or is a total imposter who just goes around acting like a priest but isn’t affiliated with the Church. Without more information confirming that this guy is actually an ordained priest of the Catholic Church, it’s pointless to bother with what he says.
 
PeterDaErmite said:
First question: I was hoping someone could share any info they might have on Maria Sabina, her ceremonies, her connection to the catholic church, and what the church had to say about it.
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As for this person, there’s Wikipedia and other articles about her.
The Church doesn’t endorse the use of psychedelics and they certainly aren’t going to endorse some self-styled shaman like Maria Sabina.
 
Yeah…when he starts describing a species of mushroom as “The Flesh,” or “The Blood,” of GOD. Then you can definately be sure he is not truly Catholic…or Christian.
 
Wikipedia doesn’t have the depth Im looking for and I thought I was asking catholic answers 🙂
 
You are asking in the Forum. But none of us are apologists …that I am aware of. However, the majority of us give sound advice!
 
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There are a whole lot of things the Church never bothers to take a position on because their position is made pretty clear in a general sense by things like the First Commandment.
 
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what about the Canterbury psalter? or is that fake?

I’m not sure what I experienced outside of it was very christian and life changing… It brought me back to God and I believe now… not even believe KNOW :confused:
 
Thank you, whats the difference between that and normal repentance?
 
To also avoid giving you a giant wall of text:
Psychedelic drugs use is, in a very basic way, incompatible with Catholic spirituality.

The Most Holy Trinity, Jesus Christ, His Church, His Sacraments, and His Blessed Mother give the necessary things which nothing else can ever give, and much more than we can think to ask for. 🙂

I used psychedelic drugs almost “religiously” before coming Home to the Catholic Church. Some way or another He reeled me in, given my situation. It was His doing, not the drugs. As Charles Upton put it, “Whether He called me through certain valid insights or salutary warnings provided by psychedelics is by and large irrelevant. If you find God after being disappointed in love or wounded in war, does this mean you can recommend such experiences to other people as a way of finding God?”

I’ll check back later and think on your more specific questions.

Ave Maria and God bless you on your search!
 
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Second question: can someone please explain what metanoia is and why/how it happens?
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Metanoia is repentance. The Holy Trinity gives actual graces to bring about conversion.

Catechism
1430 Jesus’ call to conversion and penance, like that of the prophets before him, does not aim first at outward works, “sackcloth and ashes,” fasting and mortification, but at the conversion of the heart, interior conversion. Without this, such penances remain sterile and false; however, interior conversion urges expression in visible signs, gestures and works of penance.23

1431 Interior repentance is a radical reorientation of our whole life, a return, a conversion to God with all our heart, an end of sin, a turning away from evil, with repugnance toward the evil actions we have committed. At the same time it entails the desire and resolution to change one’s life, with hope in God’s mercy and trust in the help of his grace. This conversion of heart is accompanied by a salutary pain and sadness which the Fathers called animi cruciatus (affliction of spirit) and compunctio cordis (repentance of heart).24
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Eastern Canon Law (CCEO) has a brief summary of the sacrament of penance:

Canon 718
In the sacrament of penance, the Christian faithful who committed sins after baptism, internally led by the Holy Spirit, turn back to God, moved by the pain of sin, intent on entering a new life through the ministry of the priest, having themselves made a confession and accepted an appropriate penance, obtain forgiveness from God and at the same time are reconciled with the Church which they injured by sinning; by this sacrament they are brought to a greater fostering of the Christian life and are thus disposed for receiving the Divine Eucharist.
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It’s my understanding that the mushrooms are in the Paris Eadwine Psalter, not the Great Canterbury Psalter. In any event, these illuminated books were produced by an artist working on them, and the illustrations weren’t official proclamations of the Church endorsing the use of magic mushrooms. They were just some artist’s conception and since the artist is long gone dead and lost to history, we have no way of knowing what he was getting at. People who look at these things today read psychedelic meanings into them when it could have had a totally different meaning to the guy who drew it.

If what you’re getting at is that you had some sort of “spiritual” experience on psychedelics and you’re trying to find out whether the Church approves of that sort of thing, it doesn’t. The end.

But I’m glad you’re back with the Church…just no more psychedelics now you’re back.
 
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I dont know what I mean either to be honest. I am very jummbled… and no its not from the mushrooms that was months ago (dec) Im just trying to process and piece together what happened. Sorry to waste your time I will try to better organize my thoughts and try again.
 
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PeterDaErmite:
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Second question: can someone please explain what metanoia is and why/how it happens?
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Metanoia is repentance. The Holy Trinity gives actual graces to bring about conversion.

Catechism
1430 Jesus’ call to conversion and penance, like that of the prophets before him, does not aim first at outward works, “sackcloth and ashes,” fasting and mortification, but at the conversion of the heart, interior conversion. Without this, such penances remain sterile and false; however, interior conversion urges expression in visible signs, gestures and works of penance.23

1431 Interior repentance is a radical reorientation of our whole life, a return, a conversion to God with all our heart, an end of sin, a turning away from evil, with repugnance toward the evil actions we have committed. At the same time it entails the desire and resolution to change one’s life, with hope in God’s mercy and trust in the help of his grace. This conversion of heart is accompanied by a salutary pain and sadness which the Fathers called animi cruciatus (affliction of spirit) and compunctio cordis (repentance of heart).24
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Okay, thank you so much that is exactly what I wanted to know and experienced! Hard to believe something so nice sounding can be so wrenching:?

But, what do I do with the crushing pain & sadness now? Does this kind of thing happen to everyone at some point?
 
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