Maimonides and eternity of world

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I am afraid this is incorrect.

One could flip a coin ad infinitum and never get heads.
If you say there is nothing about a circumstance per se which causes heads or necessitates one getting heads, then I would simply disagree; hence, you could flip a coin ad infinitum in the same way and never get heads, this would be mere repetition of a single circumstance. If, however, you posit that, given an infinite amount of time, an infinite amount of circumstances will be realized (instead of a single circumstance realized an infinite amount of times) I think the point is still valid.

Thus, one could flip a coin ad infinitum and never get heads, but this is just one single phenomena happening an infinite number of times, whereas, in an infinite amount of time, it seems to me that, all possible phenomena which are able to occur will occur.

The problem, of course, is that it is impossible for us to know what all is possible in the first place regarding existence as such.
 
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If you say there is nothing about a circumstance per se which causes heads or necessitates one getting heads, then I would simply disagree; hence, you could flip a coin ad infinitum in the same way and never get heads, this would be mere repetition of a single circumstance. If, however, you posit that, given an infinite amount of time, an infinite amount of circumstances will be realized (instead of a single circumstance realized an infinite amount of times) I think the point is still valid.
When it boils down to it; “probability” is an illusion; and is an abstractive phantasm on an object; and not of an object.
 
When it boils down to it; “probability” is an illusion; and is an abstractive phantasm on an object; and not of an object.
I would agree, since “probability” proper has no causal or explanatory power. In this respect it is in the same boat as “chance.” It does not do anything, so to speak.
 
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Some stray thoughts about Probability.

I had never seen the idea that “you could flip a coin forever and never get heads”.
The truth of that leads to some interesting paradoxes and maybe some precision on what is “possible”.

In an actual (instantiated) beginningless infinity, there really cannot be any unfulfilled possibilities.

However, one paradox that was already mentioned was “could you toss an infinite number of tails?” If that was “possible” then the idea would say “yes”. No matter how slight a chance, this would happen. There are more problems. “How about one million tails, one heads, then one million tails, for an infinite time”. Again, if “possible” then yes. Therefore, since there is an infinite number of possiblities, every infinite possibility would occur. But that’s not possible because you could never fulfill an infinite number of possiblities.

Here’s where this doesn’t work though.

Probability is used in mathematics as a means of prediction.

In this case, we have time and opportunities.

The odds are small that you’d always get Tails. But since it could happen, then it would. We say it “would” because it is considered “possible” – in other words, under some real circumstances, it would necessarily happen.

But the missing factor here (aside from the impossibility of measuring or observing what happens in an infinite beginningless series) is … “randomness”.

Flipping the coin is considered a random event. That’s why probability is used as a measure. If it was 100% certain, then it would be a determined event.

Randomness can be decided before the event or interpreted after the end of the event.

“I flipped the coin fairly and randomly”. That’s the assumption.
“I shuffled the cards fully, so they have a random distribution”. So, beforehand, “random” would mean, paradoxically, an unpredictable “arrangement” which we use probability to predict.

However, to review the results of the coin-flip or the card-shuffle afterwards, we also assess the randomness of the flip.

If the coin came up Tails a million times in a row – this exceeds what the probability would be, given random tosses.

If, even moreso, the coin “eternally” came up Tails – this would mean, necessarily, that it wasn’t a random flip.

In order for the process to be random, different results must be possible and must actually occur.

So, it’s strange, but the odds are 50% on a coin flip. However, if the flip is random, it must be 100% certain that both heads or tails will show up eventually – necessarily in an infinite number of flips.
 
I was looking for direct explanations about the Rambam’s position. I am not sure, but it seems that there where no direct explanations.

I can understand that because the Rambam is extremely difficult to study.

I am grateful for the help.
 
I was looking for direct explanations about the Rambam’s position. I am not sure, but it seems that there where no direct explanations.

I can understand that because the Rambam is extremely difficult to study.

I am grateful for the help.
Ok, true. Mine was an unscholarly, layman’s summary of merely my favorite part of the small amount I know about it. 🙂
 
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I was not scolding any posts!

I acknowledge that this is extremely difficult material.

I want to thank all posters for their help.

Therefore, reggieM thanks!
 
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