Major Flaws of Islam?

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sister amy,thats very good that you guess inheritance law more than me.so hope u also guess that if a man died then if he has up to 2 daughter they will get 2/3,parent together wil get 1/3,&wife will get 1/8.if he left just up to 2 sister&no children then sisters will get 2/3,parents must1/3&wife will get1/4.now pls calculate it.both crossed the total estimate.so?hasn’t allah any basic mathematical knowledge!very nice
 
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In his commentary on this verse al-Baydawi said (p. 135),
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“A group of Jews cursed Christ and his mother. He invoked evil on them and, may He be exalted, turned them into monkeys and swine. The Jews gathered together to kill him, but God, may He be exalted, informed him (Jesus) that He was going to lift him up to heaven. Thus, (Jesus) said to his companions, `Who would like to have my likeness cast on him and be killed and crucified, then enter the paradise?’ One of them volunteered (to do so) and God cast on him Christ’s likeness. He was then arrested, crucified and killed. It is also said that (the crucified one) was a traitor who went with the mob to guide them to Christ (he meant Judas), thus God cast on him the likeness of Jesus and he was arrested, crucified and killed.”
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**Quran does not support substitution theory. Badawi is wrong. It was Jesus alright on the cross. Quran says that Jesus was not killed on the cross. It appeared as if he was dead. But he was alive and appeared to be dead. This substitution theory does not suit the Muslims or the Christians or the Jews. So why it is being discussed or supported? There is no truth in what is presented in the name of Badawi. Please forget it. It is not in the Quran or hadith.

In your posts (#18 and #19) also you have misunderstood things. Quranic knowledge is high level. The mother of Mary belonged to the chjldren of Imran who was probably the father of Moses a.s. So the Quran refers to the mother of Mary as “ A lady from the family of Imran”. That is all. Nothing wrong. Whereas the bible does not speak anything about the birth of Mary, the Quran discusses it too. That a woman of the family of Imran vowed to the God that whatever was in her womb she would leave it to the service of God. She was hoping that she would bear a son and he would serve God.

But it so happened that she bore a female (Mary)…. Please read from Quran below:**
**[3:33] Allah chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of Imran above all peoples of the time.
[3:34] They were descendants of one another and Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.

[3:35] Remember when a woman of Imran said, ‘My Lord, I have vowed to Thee what is in my womb to be dedicated to Thy service. So do Thou accept it of me; verily Thou alone art All-Hearing, All-Knowing.’
[3:36] But when she was delivered of it, she said, ‘My Lord, I am delivered of a female,’ - and Allah knew best of what she was delivered and the male she desired to have was not like the female she was delivered of - 'and I have named her Mary, and I commit her and her offspring to Thy protection from Satan, the rejected.
[3:37] So her Lord accepted her with gracious acceptance and caused her to grow an excellent growth and made Zachariah her guardian. Whenever Zachariah visited her in the chamber, he found with her provisions. He said, ‘O Mary whence hast thou this?’ She replied, ‘It is from Allah.’ Surely, Allah gives to whomsoever He pleases without measure. **

** I hope you understand now that Quran is discussing the various great families starting from Adam, then Noah and then Abraham and then Imran. This fellow Imran is the father of Moses a.s. That is the head of a great people.

I will try to get back on this subject soon.**
 
morning_star777 said:
sister amy,thats very good that you guess inheritance law more than me.so hope u also guess that if a man died then if he has up to 2 daughter they will get 2/3,parent together wil get 1/3,&wife will get 1/8.if he left just up to 2 sister&no children then sisters will get 2/3,parents must1/3&wife will get1/4.now pls calculate it.both crossed the total estimate.so?hasn’t allah any basic mathematical knowledge!very nice
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**morning_star, you are mistaken. The Quran has been in the world for 1400 years and the Muslims have been good mathematicians in the past. They could not find any mistake. But you have done it. Could it be that you are misunderstanding things?

I would request you to please site a special case with exact known number of inheritors and with a known amount of wealth left by the deceased. We will show you the exact calculation. YOu will find that there is no mistake at all. Please prepare your case now.**
 
ya i know muslims are good mathematician.but since 1400 years they couldn’t find any mistake cuz they didn’t try to find.now read inheritance law of islam againsura-4:11,12,176 again&u will find that wat i told its not my mistake.by the way read sura-5:116 again.u will find the view of quran about trinity.it claims that trinity is father(allah),mother,son.but tell me when christian worship marry as god?but quran claim it.so isn’t a mistake?
 
planten said:
Quran does not support substitution theory. Badawi is wrong. It was Jesus alright on the cross. Quran says that Jesus was not killed on the cross. It appeared as if he was dead. But he was alive and appeared to be dead. This substitution theory does not suit the Muslims or the Christians or the Jews. So why it is being discussed or supported? There is no truth in what is presented in the name of Badawi. Please forget it. It is not in the Quran or hadith.
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The substitution theory IS in the Koran whereas your personal interpretation of that single verse is definitely a contradictory innovation. First of all, the Koran does not only deny Jesus’ death, but also His crucifixion:

Surah 4:157 they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them.

The Koran overtly claims that both Jesus’ crucifixion AND His death were an illusion.

Second, the Koran brags about saving Jesus from the hands of His foes, which implies that the Jews were prevented from arresting and harming Jesus through crucifixion:

Surah 5:110 Remember … how I restrained the Children of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs.
planten said:
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In your posts (#18 and #19) also you have misunderstood things. Quranic knowledge is high level. The mother of Mary belonged to the chjldren of Imran who was probably the father of Moses a.s. So the Quran refers to the mother of Mary as “ A lady from the family of Imran”. That is all. Nothing wrong. Whereas the bible does not speak anything about the birth of Mary, the Quran discusses it too. That a woman of the family of Imran vowed to the God that whatever was in her womb she would leave it to the service of God. She was hoping that she would bear a son and he would serve God.

But it so happened that she bore a female (Mary)…. Please read from Quran below:**
**[3:33] Allah chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of Imran above all peoples of the time.
[3:34] They were descendants of one another and Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.

[3:35] Remember when a woman of Imran said, ‘My Lord, I have vowed to Thee what is in my womb to be dedicated to Thy service. So do Thou accept it of me; verily Thou alone art All-Hearing, All-Knowing.’
[3:36] But when she was delivered of it, she said, ‘My Lord, I am delivered of a female,’ - and Allah knew best of what she was delivered and the male she desired to have was not like the female she was delivered of - 'and I have named her Mary, and I commit her and her offspring to Thy protection from Satan, the rejected.
[3:37] So her Lord accepted her with gracious acceptance and caused her to grow an excellent growth and made Zachariah her guardian. Whenever Zachariah visited her in the chamber, he found with her provisions. He said, ‘O Mary whence hast thou this?’ She replied, ‘It is from Allah.’ Surely, Allah gives to whomsoever He pleases without measure. **

** I hope you understand now that Quran is discussing the various great families starting from Adam, then Noah and then Abraham and then Imran. This fellow Imran is the father of Moses a.s. That is the head of a great people.

I will try to get back on this subject soon.**
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Strikingly, in another Koran version we read:

****Surah 3:35 ****(Remember) when the wife of 'Imran said: My Lord! I have vowed unto Thee that which is in my belly as a consecrated (offering). Accept it from me. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Hearer, the Knower!

Besides, the word used in 3:35 is the same as the word used in another chapter where Pharaoh’ wife is meant:

28:9. And the wife of Pharaoh said: (He will be) a consolation for me and for thee. Kill him not. Peradventure he may be of use to us, or we may choose him for a son. And they perceived not.

It is saddening for me, an ex- Muslim, to see that Muslims are ashamed of the flaws in their scripture and try to conceal them through deliberate distortion. 😦
 
It is saddening for me, an ex- Muslim, to see that Muslims are ashamed of the flaws in their scripture and try to conceal them through deliberate distortion. 😦
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Exactly the reason why i listen and pay attention to exmuslims on these boards!
 
Sister_Amy said:
Dolphinlove, I myself am an ex-Christian. If I started a site against Christianity, would you consider me someone who “knows their stuff” about Christianity, and a good source for other Muslims who want to learn about Christianity?
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Have you ever visited the site to see why they left Islam?

Vickie
 
morning_star777 said:
ya i know muslims are good mathematician.but since 1400 years they couldn’t find any mistake cuz they didn’t try to find.now read inheritance law of islam againsura-4:11,12,176 again&u will find that wat i told its not my mistake.by the way read sura-5:116 again.u will find the view of quran about trinity.it claims that trinity is father(allah),mother,son.but tell me when christian worship marry as god?but quran claim it.so isn’t a mistake?
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You have not cited any case of inheritance. So that is the end of your accusation. The christians were worshipping mary in the very early centuries until Roman pagans took over chritianity. Then they followed saul and downplayed Mary.
 
planten said:
You have not cited any case of inheritance.
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Use only the Quran and Mathematics to resolve this issue:

The Quran’s Inheritance fLaw.

Koran 4:11-12
*Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children’s (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased Left brothers (or sisters) the mother has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases ('s) after the payment of legacies and debts. Ye know not whether your parents or your children are nearest to you in benefit. These are settled portions ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Al-wise. In what your wives leave, your share is a half, if they leave no child; but if they leave a child, ye get a fourth; after payment of legacies and debts. In what ye leave, their share is a fourth, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get an eighth; after payment of legacies and debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question, has left neither ascendants nor descendants, but has left a brother or a sister, each one of the two gets a sixth; but if more than two, they share in a third; after payment of legacies and debts; so that no loss is caused (to any one). Thus is it ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Most Forbearing. *

Let us suppose that a man dies and leaves behind three daughters, two parents and his wife. According to the verses stated above the three daughters together will receive 2/3 of the share, the parents will receive 1/3 of the share and the wife will receive 1/8 of the share.

Do the math once again: 2/3 + 1/3 + 1/8 = 9/8 = 1.125. The distribution of the property adds up to more than the available property! How can this distribution be possible? Once again Mohammed displays his inability to add. Well, if a person can’t add integers then it is unprobable that he would know how to add fractions.

Another example: A man dies and leaves behind his mother, his wife and two sisters. According to what Mohammed has stated in Koran 4:11-12 and 4:176 the mother will receive 1/3 of the property, the wife will receive 1/4 of the property and the sisters will receive 2/3 of the property.

Let us add up the fractions again: 1/3 + 2/3 + 1/4 = 5/4 = 1.25 and once again it adds up to more than the available property.
 
Booklover said:
Have you ever visited the site to see why they left Islam?

Vickie
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I think Amy is one of the zealous new converts; after some years it will fade, and the cloth will come off the eyes as it does to many… …🤷
 
Angelos: It is saddening for me, an ex- Muslim, to see that Muslims are ashamed of the flaws in their scripture and try to conceal them through deliberate distortion.
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But you have not given any clear example about what is your problem with Quran. I had explained to you the meaning of Imran and the birth of Mary. Now I am telling you about why Mary was called the sister of Aaron.(ch 19 verse 28).

Mary was assigned to service of the temple. That was exactly the duty of Aaron and his offsrings, the Levites. It is for that reason that Quran is calling (or the Jewish men are calling) Mary the sister of Aaron.

You have been a Muslim. But it so happened that you did not know these things. Now as a christian, you can learn these things by the careful study of bible OT.
 
mr planten think that i have died.i left my property as 200000$.i left my 3 daughterr,my parents,and my wife.now pls divide my property according to inheritance law of islam.but be carefull i want the calculation according to quran.you have to give me reference of sura&verses also.do it sir
 
my honorable religious christian fellows.pls tell me did any christian worshiped marry as goddes?but 1st read mr planten’s opinion.cuz he replied me,once christians worshiped marry.my question was about the error of quran.i gave a reference.sura 5:116.here quran claimed that trinity is father mother and son.and i told that it is a mistake of quran
 
mr agnos thanks alot to help me.i also read those verses and tried to explain but mr.planten denied it.so mr planten pls divide my estimate that i sent in past message.but again be carefull you can’t edit those verses
 
planten said:
The christians were worshipping mary in the very early centuries until Roman pagans took over chritianity. Then they followed saul and downplayed Mary.
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1)Please provide us with historic evidence supporting your argument that Christians worshipped Mary in the early centuries of Christianity.
  1. According to your uncanny presumption, Christians gave up worshipping Mary and followed Saul. Why did they not replace Mary with Saul in the Trinity then?
  2. According to your uncanny presumption, Christians did not worship Mary after the fourth century. Why was Allah unaware of this fact? Why did Allah not update his critique of the basic Christian tenets and kept denouncing Christians for worshipping Mary in the 7th century although they had presumably stopped worshipping Mary at least 3 hundred years ago?
 
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