Major Flaws of Islam?

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so you are showing me that IF HE JERE JUST UP TO TWO DAUGHTER right?well but i guess its wanted to say up to 2 daughter without son.but you told that no other inheritant?but its wrong i guess.cuz if you are right then show me the 13/24 or7/12
 
and quran never said that if only inheritant.but it said if just up to 2 daughter.that means without any son if just 2 daughter.isn’t clear for you?by the way about mary again.christians never worshiped mary.if any 1 will do then they are not christian.
 
planten said:
This is very clear in the above verse. Quran is a concise and uses only the necessary words. Please read the words: “but if their be females only”, that is clear enough that there are female inheritors only. It is all understood.
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We all agree on that. Among his CHILDREN there are female inheritors only. Thats why they get 2/3. Mohammad is rock solid on that.

But you did not answer my question. Where did you get the idea of a REMAINDER?

YOU MADE IT UP TO FIX THE QURAN.
 
morning_star777 said:
and quran never said that if only inheritant.but it said if just up to 2 daughter.that means without any son if just 2 daughter.isn’t clear for you?by the way about mary again.christians never worshiped mary.if any 1 will do then they are not christian.
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**Please read the verse again. It says “If they be two or more…”… There is no need to write “only” two or more. It is understood that heirs are two or more daughters.

About Mary, please do not make a new rule after 2000 years. A lot has been going on in different countries since 2000 years. You do not know much and you say those will not be christians. You cannot say about them if they feel that they are christians.**
 
AgnosTheist said:
We all agree on that. Among his CHILDREN there are female inheritors only. Thats why they get 2/3. Mohammad is rock solid on that.

But you did not answer my question. Where did you get the idea of a REMAINDER?

YOU MADE IT UP TO FIX THE QURAN.
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**I did not make it up. There are certain shares which are mentioned and fixed. About the daughter, if there is only one daughter, the share is fixed that she will get half the money.

I feel that I should reply after more consideration. It will take time.**
 
well mr planten i don’t want to repeat about inheritance law cuz mr agnos already did this.&about marry?can you prove any christian ever worship her?LDS claim her as goddes&claim themselves as christians but they r not.but if u will claim that LDS r christians then i will claim that ahmadyas r muslim who belive that mirza gulam ahmad is prophet after muhamed.have u anything to say?if yes then pls carry on
 
“do christian ever pray to marry?” i guess its intercession not worship.
 
AgnosTheist said:
You know they do. And you also know that no christian sees Mary as God.
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You are correct, on both counts.

However, you must understand Islam properly, the meaning of “ilaah” and “ibaadah.” The second word loosely means worship, but it is talking about any act of submission or servitude, and prayer in Islam is considered “ibaadah.” The first word is loosely translated at “god” but literally it means anything–absolutely anything, which is worshiped.

So if, in Islam, a person prays to someone or something, they are worshiping that someone, and if they are worshiping, it makes who or what they worship an “ilaah” or a god. Which is how, in Islamic theology, the prayer and revery of Mary by Catholics is considered worship, making her an ilaah or god.

The Qur’an also says that Christians worship their priests. You might balk at that as well, but because they are allowed to make things lawful and prohibited, according to Islam they are worshiped.

So the issue isn’t what Christians think they’re doing, but rather how what they do is described by Islamic terms, which is why the Qur’an is not incorrect at all.
 
you logic is very good amy.i am amazed.ya in islam really it called worship.i guess u r very cleaver&sharp in those factor.its hard to protect u atleast for me cuz u really know manything about islam.but will you pls tell me were we talking about islamic belief?no.we were talking about christian belief.&christians never thought that they worship marry.so why allah said in quran about mary?why he didn’t say about holy spirit?
 
Sister_Amy said:
You are correct, on both counts.

However, you must understand Islam properly, the meaning of “ilaah” and “ibaadah.” The second word loosely means worship, but it is talking about any act of submission or servitude, and prayer in Islam is considered “ibaadah.” The first word is loosely translated at “god” but literally it means anything–absolutely anything, which is worshiped.

So if, in Islam, a person prays to someone or something, they are worshiping that someone, and if they are worshiping, it makes who or what they worship an “ilaah” or a god. Which is how, in Islamic theology, the prayer and revery of Mary by Catholics is considered worship, making her an ilaah or god.

The Qur’an also says that Christians worship their priests. You might balk at that as well, but because they are allowed to make things lawful and prohibited, according to Islam they are worshiped.

So the issue isn’t what Christians think they’re doing, but rather how what they do is described by Islamic terms, which is why the Qur’an is not incorrect at all.
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Sorry to remind you: you will never be able to defend your faith and hide its deficiencies through various plays on words.

Although the Koran fabricates and promotes the lie that Christians worship their clergy, it never includes them to the Trinity. You are, as a bad habit, evading the real problem in the Islamic Scripture and the main question of this thread. What we have been discussing here is NOT if praying to saints is considered equal to idolatry/polytheism in Islamic theology, BUT the faulty, unfair, and unethical presentation of Maryam in the Koran as the SECOND PERSON of the Holy Trinity.

Besides, the Koran is full of verses asking Muslims to BELIEVE and OBEY both Allah AND His messenger, which enables us to blame the Koran for encouraging polytheism through servitude to Mohammad (in addition to Allah) in perfect harmony with your interpretation.

Surah 49:1 O ye who believe! Be not forward in the presence of Allah and His messenger

Welcome to the Holy Duality of the Koran! 😃
 
One major flaw of Islam is the absence of an ultimate authority about the faith ~ the equivalent of our Holy Father. If there were a central authority, extremists that do murder in the name of Allah (such as by flying airplanes into skyscrapers) could be thrown out of the faith by their religious authority. A sort of Muslim version of “excommunication”.

As it stands now, the extremists are free to believe and assert that the murders they commit are religious duties, approved by their God. They are free to believe they are martyrs and are going to Paradise. This seems nonsensical to any rational person. If Islam had a ultimate religious authority, perhaps, at least, such persons could be informed that their extreme views were wrong and at least some might reconsider.
 
MelanieAnne said:
One major flaw of Islam is the absence of an ultimate authority about the faith ~ the equivalent of our Holy Father. If there were a central authority, extremists that do murder in the name of Allah (such as by flying airplanes into skyscrapers) could be thrown out of the faith by their religious authority. A sort of Muslim version of “excommunication”.

As it stands now, the extremists are free to believe and assert that the murders they commit are religious duties, approved by their God. They are free to believe they are martyrs and are going to Paradise. This seems nonsensical to any rational person. If Islam had a ultimate religious authority, perhaps, at least, such persons could be informed that their extreme views were wrong and at least some might reconsider.
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**Good post. There are moderate (peaceful) people in Islam and there are extremists too. But it is a sorry affair that the moderates and peaceful are abused by the christians as well as the muslim extremists.

The christians are busy trying to prove that Islam is a bad religion. In that way they are supporting the extremists.**
 
Sister_Amy said:
So if, in Islam, a person prays to someone or something, they are worshiping that someone, and if they are worshiping, it makes who or what they worship an “ilaah” or a god. Which is how, in Islamic theology, the prayer and revery of Mary by Catholics is considered worship, making her an ilaah or god.
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Sister_Amy said:
However, you must understand Islam properly, the meaning of “ilaah” and “ibaadah.” The second word loosely means worship, but it is talking about any act of submission or servitude, and prayer in Islam is considered “ibaadah.” The first word is loosely translated at “god” but literally it means anything–absolutely anything, which is worshiped.
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  1. Islam only has 1 type of prayer. The prayers of worship.
Catholicism has 2 types of prayers. The prayer of worship, which is identical to Islam. And the prayer of intercession, which has nothing to do with submission or servitude, but the contrary…asking somebody to do service for you. Like asking a friend to pray for you.

So its still a misrepresentation of catholicism when you accuse them of offering prayer-type-1 to mary.
  1. The verse in question is a message to christians. Therefore containing words that Christians are supposed to understand without the need to know islamic theology. And Mohammad said “worship”, which to christian understanding is not something that they give mary. If Mohammad knew what he was talking about, he would have said Prayer. And he would not have forgotten to forbid doing the same thing to countless other saints in christianity.
Sister_Amy said:
The Qur’an also says that Christians worship their priests. You might balk at that as well, but because they are allowed to make things lawful and prohibited, according to Islam they are worshiped.
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what verse?
 
planten said:
Good post. There are moderate (peaceful) people in Islam and there are extremists too. But it is a sorry affair that the moderates and peaceful are abused by the christians as well as the muslim extremists.

The christians are busy trying to prove that Islam is a bad religion. In that way they are supporting the extremists.
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I think it’s the other way around, the so-called moderate Muslims that are helping the extremists!

Vickie
 
actually the limitation of islam is,it always want to fight wit quran that is a blunt weapon.&always they go far from main topics.its amazing.so welcome my christian fellows you are doing well.but be carefull blunt weapon some time cause of harm.but we are fighting with logic and jesus with us.may jesus bless all of us,AMEN.
 
morning_star777 said:
actually the limitation of islam is,it always want to fight wit quran that is a blunt weapon.&always they go far from main topics.its amazing.so welcome my christian fellows you are doing well.but be carefull blunt weapon some time cause of harm.but we are fighting with logic and jesus with us.may jesus bless all of us,AMEN.
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**Jesus will not bless any one any more than a king or queen blesses a person. Even that is not possible now that Jesus has gone away and nothing is heard from him for the last 2000 years.

It is not good for you to pray to Jesus or to Mary. It is better for you to pray for him and pray for Mary as you pray for yourself. Please include the two mortals in your prayers.**
 
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