Major Liturgial Abuse?

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As I posted somehwere else I am deployed to Kosovo with the US Army and our Priest is on leave. We have had a local Albanian Priest come perform the Mass each week. Last week though we had a lay person re - read the Gospel because it was in albanian. Further more he immitated the Priest by saying “the Lord be with you”, then did the sign over his head , lips , heart and over the Gospel.

I was totally taken a back by this, but didnt wanna create a street scene becuase I could not find anything in GIRM that said against it.

I was under the impression that only a Priest or a Deacon my read the Gospel during Mass?
 
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A.Pelliccio:
As I posted somehwere else I am deployed to Kosovo with the US Army and our Priest is on leave. We have had a local Albanian Priest come perform the Mass each week. Last week though we had a lay person re - read the Gospel because it was in albanian. Further more he immitated the Priest by saying “the Lord be with you”, then did the sign over his head , lips , heart and over the Gospel.

I was totally taken a back by this, but didnt wanna create a street scene becuase I could not find anything in GIRM that said against it.

I was under the impression that only a Priest or a Deacon my read the Gospel during Mass?
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It seems to me this lay person was acting as a translator, yes?, which is perfectly fine. As to his making the sign of the cross over the Gospel, though, that probably wasn’t proper, but otherwise, it sounds fine to me. I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it.
 
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Della:
It seems to me this lay person was acting as a translator, yes?, which is perfectly fine. As to his making the sign of the cross over the Gospel, though, that probably wasn’t proper, but otherwise, it sounds fine to me. I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it.
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Great answer Della. We got to Mexico in the winter and attend a little church. As the town is filled w/ Americans, they always pluck out an American to read the readings after the proper person does it in Spanish. I was uncomfortable with the situation but never asked anyone as I was just glad to hear the readings. Now I feel so much better that they are just translating. Whew.

P.S. If you think I’m stalking you Della, I am. I often just look to see what you are ocmmenting on as I find them always illuminating. i don’t know if you saw it, but I disagreed w/ you on one of them. I took a little satisfaction in it. 😉
 
I think the priest should have read the Gospel. But even if it were impossible (say he did not have his glasses needed to read) then the lay person should do not more than necessary.

The greeting “The Lord be with you” is meant for a priest or deacon. The Vatican’s 1988 “Directory for Sunday Celebrations in the Absence of a Priest” has:

“39. A layperson who leads the assembly acts as one among equals, in the way followed in the liturgy of the hours when not presided over by an ordained minister, and in the case of blessings when the minister is a layperson (“May the Lord bless us …”; “Let us praise the Lord …”). The layperson is not to use words that are proper to a priest or deacon and is to omit rites that are too readily associated with the Mass, for example, greetings – especially “The Lord be with you” – and dismissals, since these might give the impression that the layperson is a sacred minister. [Footnote 33: See General Instruction to the Liturgy of the Hours, n. 258: … Book of Blessings, nos. 48, 119, 130, 181]”
 
The Priest read the Gospel but a lay person re read it and used the greetings. I thought that this was reserved to a Priest or a Deacon only and that was my question.
 
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A.Pelliccio:
The Priest read the Gospel but a lay person re read it and used the greetings. I thought that this was reserved to a Priest or a Deacon only and that was my question.
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I’m sure it must be allowed. I’ve seen this before. On holiday in Bali, Indonesia we found a Catholic Church. The readings, Gospel and Homily were done in Bahasa and then a lay person translated everything so that English speaking visitors could understand.
 
… once upon a time the entire Mass worldwide was said in Latin.

For a reason.
 
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MusicMan:
… once upon a time the entire Mass worldwide was said in Latin.

For a reason.
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Yeah, then everyone needed a translator! 😃
 
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MusicMan:
… once upon a time the entire Mass worldwide was said in Latin.

For a reason.
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Actually after the Priest read the gospel in Latin he would re-read it in English. The sermon was then in English.
 
I think in these circumstances, being on deployment, even with access to more than the usual electronic “stuff” in Kosovo than say an assignment in Baghdad, the military is doing its best to give your chaplain a no doubt well-deserved break, while providing the Catholics in the unit with religious comfort of the sacraments. Archbishop O’Brien is to be commended for being able to stretch a very few chaplains a very long way.
 
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palmas85:
Actually after the Priest read the gospel in Latin he would re-read it in English. The sermon was then in English.
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Is this required in the rubrics for the TLM? Is this even an option in the actual rubrics for the TLM?
 
I need another favor of the good Archbishop, I have found a French Priest who has expressed his desire to say the TLM on Camp Bondsteel here. I need his permission for such a momnetous event.
 
A.Pelliccio said:
As I posted somehwere else I am deployed to Kosovo with the US Army and our Priest is on leave. We have had a local Albanian Priest come perform the Mass each week. Last week though we had a lay person re - read the Gospel because it was in albanian. Further more he immitated the Priest by saying “the Lord be with you”, then did the sign over his head , lips , heart and over the Gospel.

I was totally taken a back by this, but didnt wanna create a street scene becuase I could not find anything in GIRM that said against it.

I was under the impression that only a Priest or a Deacon my read the Gospel during Mass?
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I see nothing wrong as to what he did. As long as he didn’t pretend to consecrate the hosts it would appear to be o.k.
 
palmas85 said:
Actually after the Priest read the gospel in Latin he would re-read it in English. The sermon was then in English.
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This is not the 1st. time in these forum that I’ve heard it stated that the readings in the TLM were read in Latin & then in English. I was raised pre-Vat.II (40’s,50’s & 60’s) in so.TX and I do not ever remember the readings in Latin, there were always only in English.🤷
 
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This is not the 1st. time in these forum that I’ve heard it stated that the readings in the TLM were read in Latin & then in English. I was raised pre-Vat.II (40’s,50’s & 60’s) in so.TX and I do not ever remember the readings in Latin, there were always only in English.🤷
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I seem to remember the priest reading the Gospel in Latin first, then in English.
 
The Gospel and the Epistle were read in Latin with the priest facing the Altar.

A server would transfer the lectionary from the Epistle side to the Gospel side of the altar in between.

The Epistle and Gospel were repeated in English usually only on Sunday, a Holy Day of Obligation, or some other special Mass, and were considered, I think, part of the sermon, as we called it then.
 
First_of_9 said:
The Gospel and the Epistle were read in Latin with the priest facing the Altar.

** A server would transfer the lectionary from the Epistle side to the Gospel side of the altar in between. **

** The Epistle and Gospel were repeated in English** usually only on Sunday, a Holy Day of Obligation, or some other special Mass, and were considered, I think, part of the sermon, as we called it then.
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OK, First of Nine, after reading the 1st. bolded above it woke me up! I was thinking of when it was read in english was when the priest was at the ambo & didn’t think he read it in Latin at that time. And yes, I think we did consider it as part of the sermon.😃 Thanks, I was going nuts trying to remember if it was said in Latin 1st. I’m :o as I was a altar boy back then:blush:.

PS: I’m 2nd. of 11:D
 
I need another favor of the good Archbishop, I have found a French Priest who has expressed his desire to say the TLM on Camp Bondsteel here. I need his permission for such a momnetous event.
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A momentous event indeed. God bless your endeavors – both for your faith and for your country.
 
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