Major scandal; Now proven that the entire global warming threat is based on fabricated data

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Of course you are right there will be impacts with rising coastlines in the US - and some might say they would welcome these losses thinking the entire thing is one big joke - but we do have the resources to mitigate many of these loses - whereas the poor do not…😦
4elise, I’m not sure we do have the resources. With the peak in oil production in the next decade, by mid-century liquid fuels will be considerably more expensive for everyone. The human population will be much larger at the current rate of growth, and more people will be at risk in low-lying areas, like Bangladesh. 100 million Bangladeshis will have no place to migrate but into already heavily settled and agriculturally exploited portions of Southeast Asia.

I suspect that much will simply have to be abandoned, such as vast stretches around the SF Bay Area, Florida, Louisiana and the Gulf Coast, Southern California, Puget Sound, and the East Coast. It will be a safer bet to have property in the Inter-mountain West and the Midwest.

StAnastasia
 
**FROM THE VATICAN: ** VATICAN CITY, DEC. 6, 2009 (Zenit.org).- The elements that have led to this week’s U.N. climate change conference in Copenhagen must also be a call to lifestyle conversion, according to a Vatican spokesman.:
Nice to see the Vatican directly involved at Copenhagen. Catholics need to take a leadership role in confronting AGW.
 
4elise, I’m not sure we do have the resources. With the peak in oil production in the next decade, by mid-century liquid fuels will be considerably more expensive for everyone. The human population will be much larger at the current rate of growth, and more people will be at risk in low-lying areas, like Bangladesh. 100 million Bangladeshis will have no place to migrate but into already heavily settled and agriculturally exploited portions of Southeast Asia.

I suspect that much will simply have to be abandoned, such as vast stretches around the SF Bay Area, Florida, Louisiana and the Gulf Coast, Southern California, Puget Sound, and the East Coast. It will be a safer bet to have property in the Inter-mountain West and the Midwest.

StAnastasia
The claim that Gore promotes about sea levels rising 20 feet is bunk and has been debunked. We are talking inches at the most.
 
4elise, I’m not sure we do have the resources. With the peak in oil production in the next decade, by mid-century liquid fuels will be considerably more expensive for everyone. The human population will be much larger at the current rate of growth, and more people will be at risk in low-lying areas, like Bangladesh. 100 million Bangladeshis will have no place to migrate but into already heavily settled and agriculturally exploited portions of Southeast Asia.

I suspect that much will simply have to be abandoned, such as vast stretches around the SF Bay Area, Florida, Louisiana and the Gulf Coast, Southern California, Puget Sound, and the East Coast. It will be a safer bet to have property in the Inter-mountain West and the Midwest.

StAnastasia
I do agree - and perhaps more focus does need to be placed on this because than some people may care more if the impact will be shown to impact their lives - it is just that the poor around the world will indeed suffer the consequences to a much higher degree and much sooner…
 
Article on “Ghia”
Thank you. From the article:

Carrozzeria Ghia SpA (established 1915 in Turin) is one of the most famous Italian automobile design and coachbuilding firms, established by Giacinto Ghia and Gariglio as Carrozzeria Ghia & Gariglio, located at 4 Corso Valentino in Turin.

Ghia initially made lightweight aluminum-bodied cars, achieving fame with the Alfa Romeo 6C 1500, winning Mille Miglia (1929). Between the world wars, Ghia designed special bodies for Alfa Romeo, Fiat, and Lancia, one of the most famous was the Fiat 508 Ballilla sports coupe (1933). The factory was rebuilt at Via Tomassi Grossi, after being demolished in an air raid during World War II (1943). After Ghia’s death (1944), the company was sold to Mario Boano and Giorgio Alberti. The Ghia-Aigle subsidiary was established in Aigle, Switzerland (1948)."
 
The claim that Gore promotes about sea levels rising 20 feet is bunk and has been debunked. We are talking inches at the most.
More than that. California is planning on a possible 55-inch rise http://sfappeal.com/news/2009/08/it-could-have-been-a.php.

If the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets were to melt completely, seal level would reach the deck of the Golden Gate Bridge. A 250 foot rise would eliminate Florida, Manhattan, Boston, Los Angeles, Portland, Seattle, Vancouver, London, Paris, Rome, Venice, etc. The Gulf of Mexico would extends northwards to Missouri.

For interactive flood maps, see:

flood.firetree.net/
globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Special:SeaLevel
 
More than that. California is planning on a possible 55-inch rise http://sfappeal.com/news/2009/08/it-could-have-been-a.php.

If the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets were to melt completely, seal level would reach the deck of the Golden Gate Bridge. A 250 foot rise would eliminate Florida, Manhattan, Boston, Los Angeles, Portland, Seattle, Vancouver, London, Paris, Rome, Venice, etc. The Gulf of Mexico would extends northwards to Missouri.

For interactive flood maps, see:

flood.firetree.net/
globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Special:SeaLevel
Scientists Counter AP Article Promoting Computer Model Climate Fears

Nearly two dozen prominent scientists from around the world have denounced a recent Associated Press article promoting sea level fears in the year 2100 and beyond based on unproven computer models predictions. The AP article also has been accused of mischaracterizing the views of a leading skeptic of man-made global warming fears. The scientists are dismissing the AP article, entitled “Rising Seas Likely to Flood U.S. History” (LINK) as a “scare tactic,” “sheer speculation,” and “hype of the worst order.” (H/T: Noel Sheppard of Newsbusters.org - LINK)
Dr. Richard S. Courtney, a climate and atmospheric science consultant and a UN IPCC expert reviewer ridiculed the AP article.
“Rarely have I read such a collection of unsubstantiated and scare-mongering twaddle. Not only do real studies show no increase to rate of sea level change, the [AP] article gives reasons for concern that are nonsense,” Courtney told Inhofe EPW Press Blog on September 23.
**UN IPCC reviewer and climate researcher Dr Vincent Gray, of New Zealand slammed the article as well: **
“This [AP article] is a typical scare story based on no evidence or facts, but only on the ‘opinions’ and ‘beliefs’ of ‘experts’, all of whom have a financial interest in the promotion of their computer models,” Gray wrote to the Inhofe EPW Press Blog.
**Swedish Professor Wibjorn Karlen of the Department of Social and Economic Geography at Stockholm University: ** “Another of these hysterical views of our climate,” Karlen wrote to Inhofe EPW Press Blog regarding the AP article. "Newspapers should think about the damage they are doing to many persons, particularly young kids, by spreading the exaggerated views of a human impact on climate,” Karlen explained.
The September 22, 2007 Associated Press article promoting future computer generated climate fears, appears just days before a high profile UN climate summit in New York City this week. The AP’s Seth Borenstein has a history of promoting unverifiable climate fears of the future (See: “AP Incorrectly claims scientists praise Gore’s movie” from June 2006 – LINK )
This AP report comes at a time when the peer-reviewed science is continuing to debunk the foundation of man-made climate change fears. (See “New Peer-Reviewed Scientific Studies Chill Global Warming Fears” (LINK)
Alabama State Climatologist Dr. John Christy of the University of Alabama in Huntsville, stated that the AP mischaracterized his views on sea level in the article promoting climate fears a hundred years from now.
“[My] discussion [with the AP reporter Seth Borenstein] was primarily about the storm surges which come from hurricanes - that’s the real vulnerability. The sea level is rising around 1 inch per decade, but sea level is like any other climate parameter - its either rising or falling all the time. To me, 16 inches per century is not a significant problem to deal with. But since storm surges of 15 to 30 feet occur in 6 hours, any preventive strategy, like an extra 3 feet of elevation, would be helpful,” Christy wrote to the Inhofe EPW Press blog.
“Thinking that legislation can change sea level is hubris. I did a calculation on what 1000 new nuclear power plants operating by 2020 would do for the IPCC best guess in the year 2100. The answer is 1.4 cm – about half an inch (if you accept the IPCC projection A1B for the base case.) Also, there doesn’t seem to be any acceleration of the slow trend,” Christy explained.

more…
 
Peak oil is another one of those scare tactics.

The “experts” have been claiming peak oil for at least 100 years.

The problem is that we keep discovering new deposits.

The reasons why the idea of peak oil keeps coming up is that somewhere around 80% of oil supplies are in the hands of totalitarian kleptocracy states. They are using the scare tactics to panic the West into accepting rationing and higher energy prices.

lewrockwell.com/crispin/crispin12.html

Excerpt:

C. Maurice and C. Smithson, Doomsday Mythology: “Every ten or fifteen years since the late 1800’s (when we began using petroleum) ‘experts’ have predicted that oil reserves would last only ten more years. These ‘experts’ have predicted nine of the last zero oil-reserve exhaustions.”
 
But ours should. Our actions should match our faith! 😉
So if we don’t value their example - should that keep us from doing right in this or any other case? IMHO pointing to their errors is just another way to make an excuse not to make changes in our lives.
If it was a random bunch of people, then sure, I would not use them as an excuse to do wrong myself. The problem is that these are the SAME people promoting AGW, the ones saying we will all die if we don’t do something.

If they really believed their own claims, would they be spewing so much more CO2 than the average person as they do? You would think that people at the forefront of a movement would at least…follow the movement? Yet this is not the case here.

My actions do match my faith. At the moment, I have no faith in AGW, for the above reason and several others.
 
Peak oil is another one of those scare tactics. The “experts” have been claiming peak oil for at least 100 years. The problem is that we keep discovering new deposits…
Every resource has a peak in its extraction and production. Of course there will always be some new oil found, but will it be cost-effective to extract it from deep and remote deposits? Not enough major new deposits have been discovered to keep pace with rising global demand for oil, particularly as China and India race to match the lifestyles and private auto use of the West. Some of the big fields in The Middle East and Mexico are already in decline.

Oil is a finite resource that will some day run out. The question is whether we will have the wisdom and will to moderate our use of petroleum to extend it as long as possible into the future to meet the needs of a rising global human population.

StAnastasia
 
Every resource has a peak in its extraction and production. Of course there will always be some new oil found, but will it be cost-effective to extract it from deep and remote deposits? Not enough major new deposits have been discovered to keep pace with rising global demand for oil, particularly as China and India race to match the lifestyles and private auto use of the West. Some of the big fields in The Middle East and Mexico are already in decline.

Oil is a finite resource that will some day run out. The question is whether we will have the wisdom and will to moderate our use of petroleum to extend it as long as possible into the future to meet the needs of a rising global human population.

StAnastasia
Except we now know oil is being produced in the earth today.
 
California government is HOPING for a 55-inch rise in sea levels.

Because if the ocean rises up and inundates their land, then it will take the peoples’ minds off their continuing state government profligacy and budget deficits.
 
If the water starts rising too much we can just blast it into orbit.

That way when everything cools off again we can bring it back…

On my way to work today I passed a sign that said it was -3 degrees. But the thermometer in my car said it was -6. So I floored it. That damn global warming was right on my tail!
 
More than that. California is planning on a possible 55-inch rise
Did you miss the analysis done by an actual scientist (Dr. John Christy) on sea level rise? The rate of sea level rise is now (and has been for some time) a bit over an inch a decade and that rate is not changing despite the hype. That is, in 100 years the sea level may be 16 inches higher but - and more to the point - even massive changes on our part will have a negligible impact.

“I did a calculation on what 1000 new nuclear power plants operating by 2020 would do for the IPCC best guess in the year 2100. The answer is 1.4 cm – about half an inch (if you accept the IPCC projection A1B for the base case.)”
If the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets were to melt completely, seal level would reach the deck of the Golden Gate Bridge.
The melting of the Antarctic ice sheets would take 10,000 years in even a worst case scenario. I suspect the Golden Gate Bridge wouldn’t be around to be threatened by it.

Ender
 
Except we now know oil is being produced in the earth today.
Oil takes tens of millions of years to produce, from organic material put under intense heat and pressure. The process would never replace the 85 billion barrels per day used by the world now, much less the projected demand in the future. We face a future of walking, bicycling, more localized living, more communal solidarity, and humility. Those things don’t sound bad from a Catholic perspective!
 
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