Major scandal; Now proven that the entire global warming threat is based on fabricated data

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StAnastasia said:
No, Pope Benedict means climate change:

Paragraph 4: “Can we remain indifferent before the problems associated with such realities as climate change,…?”

Paragraph 7: “To protect the environment, and to safeguard natural resources and the climate,…”

Paragraph 10: “…implementation of appropriate policies for the management of forests, for waste disposal and for strengthening the linkage between combatting climate change and overcoming poverty.”

Paragraph 10: “Similar attention also needs to be paid to the world-wide problem of water and to the global water cycle system, which is of prime importance for life on earth and whose stability could be seriously jeopardized by climate change.”

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Catholics have a serious obligation to follow His Holiness the Pope on this.
 
buffalo said:
What does this have to do with the Global Warming discussion?
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It doesn’t.

StAnastasia is simply trying to smear the opposition with blanket accusations.

It is a debate tactic I have seen employed many times to varying degrees of effectiveness. When losing the argument, confuse the issue.
 
buffalo said:
paully;6059948:
What does this have to do with the Global Warming discussion?
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I just thought that if we introduce authority from people who deny what Catholics believe you as believers might be entering territory that denies many things Catholic. Like, maybe Jesus had brothers, and that Mary wasn’t always a virgin. And that priests are an affront to God. It sounds like cafeteria thinking to me. That’s all.

Dinosaurs died millions of years ago. The universe is 20,000,000,000 years old.
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sidbrown said:
Catholics have a serious obligation to follow His Holiness the Pope on this.
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Actually, Catholics have a serious obligation to follow the Catechism and the Magistarium. Now if the Pope has some specific orders to give that are in addition to what is already listed in the CCC, let’s hear it.

Thus far I have not heard the Pope call for anything that is not already covered in the CCC.
 
vz71 said:
Thus far I have not heard the Pope call for anything that is not already covered in the CCC.
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A statement from the US Bishops:
"As Catholics, we have a rich heritage of faith, tradition, and social teaching to draw upon as we seek to live the Gospel faithfully in our own time and situation. As a community of faith, we seek to protect the dignity of every person and promote the common good of the human family, particularly the most vulnerable among us. The Church champions the rights of the unborn, seeks to bring dignity to the poor, works to overcome the scourge of racism and welcomes the stranger among us.

Today, our Catholic community is addressing more consistently and faithfully how to protect God’s creation and the environment that sustains the human family and all the earth. As Pope John Paul II said, “respect for life and for the dignity of the human person extends also to the rest of creation, which is called to join man in praising God.” We show our respect for our Creator by our care for His creation.

Today, there is a particular and pressing responsibility to examine and act on the growing challenge of global climate change and its implications for God’s creation and for the poor and vulnerable. During his angelus address on August 27, 2006, Pope Benedict XVI called for a commitment to care for creation. He said creation is "exposed to serious risks by life choices and lifestyles that can degrade it. In particular, he said, “environmental degradation makes the lives of the poor especially unbearable.”

The U.S. Catholic bishops have declared, “At its core, global climate change is not about economic theory or political platforms, nor about partisan advantage or interest group pressures. It is about the future of God’s creation and the one human family. It is about protecting both ‘the human environment’ and the natural environment.” (Global Climate Change: A Plea for Dialogue, Prudence and the Common Good, United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, 2001, p.1).

In parishes, dioceses and other Catholic organizations, we encourage efforts to bring about a discussion on climate change that is civil and constructive, that invokes the virtue of prudence in seeking solutions, and that is more responsive to the needs of the poor, both here in the United States and abroad. As Catholics, we have a unique opportunity and responsibility to make a difference in addressing the potential impacts of global climate change, particularly on those least able to bear its burdens.

Pope Benedict XVI called us to defend and safeguard creation. “In dialogue with Christians of various churches, we need to commit ourselves to caring for the created world, without squandering its resources, and sharing them in a cooperative way,” he insisted.

We hope the materials on this website, Faithful Stewards of God’s Creation: A Catholic Resource for Environmental Justice, will provide you with information you can use to better understand the important connections between our Catholic faith and the environment, and the urgency of addressing the moral and human dimensions of climate change."
usccb.org/sdwp/ejp/climate/
Catholics have a serious obligation fo follow what their bishops and the Pope teach.
 
sidbrown said:
Catholics have a serious obligation to follow His Holiness the Pope on this.
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Agreed, that’s why it’s important to read what He is addressing.

It isn’t
Contraceptives
Abortions
Euthanasia
Carbon Credits
Cap-and-Trade scams
It isn’t even CO2 emissions

It is Good fiscal and morally ethical stewardship.
The U.S. Catholic bishops have declared, “At its core, global climate change is not about economic theory or political platforms, nor about partisan advantage or interest group pressures. It is about the future of God’s creation and the one human family. It is about protecting both ‘the human environment’ and the natural environment.” (Global Climate Change: A Plea for Dialogue, Prudence and the Common Good, United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, 2001, p.1).
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StAnastasia said:
paully;6059948:
I don’t know about that doctrine. Ken Ham is an Australian who founded the Answers-in-Genesis Creation museum in Kentucky a few years ago. creationmuseum.org/
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Thanks for clearing that up. I checked on Wikipedia and it seems as though his beliefs are very different that you folks. I guess he’s an evangelical and I don’t think there are any of those Christians that believe in Jesus’ in communion. I also think they believe that Jesus had brothers and that Mary wasn’t always virgin. I don’t think they believe in the Immaculate Conception, or praying to Mary and the saints. I just figured that if you use his theology here, then you open up the door for others that aren’t Catholic to say that you just pick and choose what you want.

Personally I take his side on most of the above.
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sidbrown said:
A statement from the US Bishops:

The U.S. Catholic bishops have declared, “At its core, global climate change is not about economic theory or political platforms, nor about partisan advantage or interest group pressures. It is about the future of God’s creation and the one human family. It is about protecting both ‘the human environment’ and the natural environment.” (Global Climate Change: A Plea for Dialogue, Prudence and the Common Good, United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, 2001, p.1)…As Catholics, we have a unique opportunity and responsibility to make a difference in addressing the potential impacts of global climate change, particularly on those least able to bear its burdens.
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It’s good that the Catholic bishops are taking the lead on this one:

“In facing climate change, what we already know requires a response; it cannot be easily dismissed. Significant levels of scientific consensus—even in a situation with less than full certainty, where the consequences of not acting are serious—justifies, indeed can obligate, our taking action intended to avert potential dangers. In other words, if enough evidence indicates that the present course of action could jeopardize humankind’s well-being, prudence dictates taking mitigating or preventative action.”

StAnastasia
 
StAnastasia said:
The universe is about 13.7 billion years old.
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Thanks again StAnastasia. I got the 20 billion from one source. Then I saw 15 billion at another. I guess since we’re not God we’ll just have to take the average of all three. Thank you 🙂

It seems as though science just keeps changing its mind.
 
paully said:
StAnastasia;6060053:
Thanks for clearing that up. I checked on Wikipedia and it seems as though his beliefs are very different that you folks. I guess he’s an evangelical and I don’t think there are any of those Christians that believe in Jesus’ in communion. I also think they believe that Jesus had brothers and that Mary wasn’t always virgin. I don’t think they believe in the Immaculate Conception, or praying to Mary and the saints. I just figured that if you use his theology here, then you open up the door for others that aren’t Catholic to say that you just pick and choose what you want.
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Personally I take his side on most of the above.

I don’t recall having said anything about Ken Ham’s theology. I only mentioned his view that Adam and Eve’s descendants saddled dinosaurs. That’s not a theological claim, but a scientifically falsifiable one.
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paully said:
Thanks again StAnastasia. I got the 20 billion from one source. Then I saw 15 billion at another. I guess since we’re not God we’ll just have to take the average of all three. Thank you 🙂 It seems as though science just keeps changing its mind.
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You’re welcome. Science doesn’t change its mind; scientists can revise their theories to explain the evidence more cogently.
 
StAnastasia said:
It’s good that the Catholic bishops are taking the lead on this one:

“In facing climate change, what we already know requires a response; it cannot be easily dismissed. Significant levels of scientific consensus—even in a situation with less than full certainty, where the consequences of not acting are serious—justifies, indeed can obligate, our taking action intended to avert potential dangers. In other words, if enough evidence indicates that the present course of action could jeopardize humankind’s well-being, prudence dictates taking mitigating or preventative action.”

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And yet they have called for nothing that is not already covered in the CCC.
 
StAnastasia said:
paully;6060091:
I don’t recall having said anything about Ken Ham’s theology. I only mentioned his view that Adam and Eve’s descendants saddled dinosaurs. That’s not a theological claim, but a scientifically falsifiable one.
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Okay, that makes sense. But he considers it part of his theology. God made the earth in 6 days and rested on the Saturday the seventh day. It is theology and answers in genesis claims to trump science. So why can’t his views on other things be correct?
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paully said:
Thanks again StAnastasia. I got the 20 billion from one source. Then I saw 15 billion at another. I guess since we’re not God we’ll just have to take the average of all three. Thank you 🙂

It seems as though science just keeps changing its mind.
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:D:D
 
qui_est_ce said:
Is there a link between people who believe in AGCC and Creation-deniers? For you to paint people like me who are skeptical of AGCC (not denying climate change) as not caring for the environment or changing my ways is an outright lie. It is YOU who are demonizing people who disagree that Climate Change is caused by humans, pushing your own lies down people’s throats. When I asked what happened to the dinosaurs, you said Conservative Catholics think Adam and Eve rode them. REALLY, is that what people here think? My point was dinosaurs disappeared BEFORE humans even existed.
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StAnastasia said:
Christine,

(1) What does AGCC stand for?

(2) When did I say say you don’t care for the environment?

(3) What lies am I pushing down your throat? How am I pushing them, when I’m merely expressing my opinion, as you express yours on this thread?

(4) Yes, numerous people on the evolution threads on CAF argue that the world was created a few thousand years ago. Proponents of this view claim that Adam and Eve and their descendants saddled and rode dinosaurs. http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/1999/11/05/dinosaurs-and-the-bible
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You painted those who disagreed with you as Creationists who believe Adam and Eve rode on dinosaurs.

You quoted people people who said their great-grandchildren never did anything for them. NO one on this thread has said this. The link you posted is not a CAF Forum. I don’t see how that is relevant to the OP.

Personally, I think you are pushing an agenda linking Creationists and people who disagree with you in order to make them look like uneducated fools.

I’m sorry I fell for the off topic attack. St. is very skillful at diverting the debate.
 
paully said:
StAnastasia;6060122:
Okay, that makes sense. But he considers it part of his theology. God made the earth in 6 days and rested on the Saturday the seventh day. It is theology and answers in genesis claims to trump science. So why can’t his views on other things be correct?
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Paully, the claim that God created the world is a theological claim (createdness = ontological dependence). But how God did it is not a theological but a scientific matter.
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