Major scandal; Now proven that the entire global warming threat is based on fabricated data

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Ender said:
There is no Church teaching on the validity of the scientific theory of Anthropogenic Global Warming. The opinion of a bishop on this topic is of no more significance - moral or otherwise - than that of your local butcher. The theory is either scientifically valid or it isn’t and no one’s personal opinion has any affect on which it turns out to be.

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It is not the opinion of one bishop. It is an official statement and position of the American bishops who are relying on the declarations of Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict.
 
4elise said:
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The Message of Pope Benedict XVI for the celebration of the forty-third World Day of Peace
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Can we remain indifferent before the problems associated with such realities as climate change, desertification, the deterioration and loss of productivity in vast agricultural areas, the pollution of rivers and aquifers, the loss of biodiversity, the increase of natural catastrophes and the deforestation of equatorial and tropical regions? Can we disregard the growing phenomenon of “environmental refugees”, people who are forced by the degradation of their natural habitat to forsake it - and often their possessions as well - in order to face the dangers and uncertainties of forced displacement? Can we remain impassive in the face of actual and potential conflicts involving access to natural resources? All these are issues with a profound impact on the exercise of human rights, such as the right to life, food, health and development.
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Much of what the Pope says here are not Global Warming issues. They are land use issues in the face of a rising global population. Desertification is a land use problem, so too is habitat degradation and destruction. Pollution of rivers is not a climate issue at all and neither is deforestation. These are issues independant of climate and are to do with mankinds’ rapacious use of natural systems and recources.

The increase of natural disasters…? Er, where’s the proof of that, I ask? If you research, hurricane activity along the US coast has lessened over the past few years. Perhaps what his holiness is getting at is the increased loss of life through natural disasters. Well, with more and more people living along geographic fault lines, or near volcanoes, of course a significant loss of life will take place with each natural deisaster.

In terms of global food production, the world’s output has never been higher, so someone, somewhere, must be doing the right thiong.

Now lets turn to Global Warming.
The world has been much hotter in the past and yet life flourished. Google Medievil Warm Period and learn how grapes once grew in Greenland. No doubt once the cold returned the grapegrowers became climate refugees!
Google eath’s temperatures over the millennia and you will see that the Earth has been a very, very hot place millions of years ago and still life flourished. In fact, there is evidence that climate temperatures increasing bring about higher concentrationsn of Carbon, not vice versa as some would have us believe.

If his holiness, in asking for a “new solidarity” means getting into bed with the likes of Robert Mugabe and Hugo Chavez, then sorry, I think he’s on the wrong track.
Read here how Hugo Chavez said there was a “silent and terrible ghost in the room” and that ghost was called capitalism.
Read here how Zimbabwe dictator and serial human rights abuser Robert Mugabe said "When these capitalist gods of carbon burp and belch their dangerous emissions, it’s we, the lesser mortals of the developing sphere who gasp and sink and eventually die."

His Holiness needs to distance himself from this charade of “saving the world” and distance himself from the likes of Mugabe and Chavez and everyother two bit carpetbagger involved in this debate.
Perhaps His Holiness should hold up as examples of true Christian spirit Bill and Melinda Gates who quietly do what they can to solve the problems of the world.
 
John21652 said:
Much of what the Pope says here are not Global Warming issues. They are land use issues in the face of a rising global population. Desertification is a land use problem, so too is habitat degradation and destruction. Pollution of rivers is not a climate issue at all and neither is deforestation. These are issues independant of climate and are to do with mankinds’ rapacious use of natural systems and recources.

The increase of natural disasters…? Er, where’s the proof of that, I ask? If you research, hurricane activity along the US coast has lessened over the past few years. Perhaps what his holiness is getting at is the increased loss of life through natural disasters. Well, with more and more people living along geographic fault lines, or near volcanoes, of course a significant loss of life will take place with each natural deisaster.

In terms of global food production, the world’s output has never been higher, so someone, somewhere, must be doing the right thiong.

Now lets turn to Global Warming.
The world has been much hotter in the past and yet life flourished. Google Medievil Warm Period and learn how grapes once grew in Greenland. No doubt once the cold returned the grapegrowers became climate refugees!
Google eath’s temperatures over the millennia and you will see that the Earth has been a very, very hot place millions of years ago and still life flourished. In fact, there is evidence that climate temperatures increasing bring about higher concentrationsn of Carbon, not vice versa as some would have us believe.

If his holiness, in asking for a “new solidarity” means getting into bed with the likes of Robert Mugabe and Hugo Chavez, then sorry, I think he’s on the wrong track.
Read here how Hugo Chavez said there was a “silent and terrible ghost in the room” and that ghost was called capitalism.
Read here how Zimbabwe dictator and serial human rights abuser Robert Mugabe said "When these capitalist gods of carbon burp and belch their dangerous emissions, it’s we, the lesser mortals of the developing sphere who gasp and sink and eventually die."

His Holiness needs to distance himself from this charade of “saving the world” and distance himself from the likes of Mugabe and Chavez and everyother two bit carpetbagger involved in this debate.
Perhaps His Holiness should hold up as examples of true Christian spirit Bill and Melinda Gates who quietly do what they can to solve the problems of the world.
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Personally, I think it is better to listen to what the Pope and what the American bishops have been saying rather than to tell them what I think they should say.
 
sidbrown said:
Personally, I think it is better to listen to what the Pope and what the American bishops have been saying rather than to tell them what I think they should say.
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Yes, there’s a bit of selective listening going on, when AGW deniers listen carefully to the views of the pope and bishops on moral matters relating to unborn human life, and yet dismiss their teachings on moral matters relating to climate change.

StAnastasia
 
StAnastasia said:
Yes, there’s a bit of selective listening going on, when AGW deniers listen carefully to the views of the pope and bishops on moral matters relating to unborn human life, and yet dismiss their teachings on moral matters relating to climate change.
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Don’t tear down strawmen.

Nobody is dismissing the pope/bishop’s moral teachings regarding our duty to protect the planet. We are, however, disputing their positions on whether AGW exists, because they are not infallible in matters of science.
 
StAnastasia said:
This is just silly extremism to suggest that the voices who shout loudest are the real face of the global warming debate. That dismisses the legions of termperate voices contributing to the discussion.
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With all due respect StAnastasia, it is not silly extremism to suggest that the loudest voices are the real face of the global warming debate. The “loudest voices” exist amongst the scientific community and the political community. These “loudest voices” have hijacked this debate from long ago and any dissenters have been labelled “deniers” and shouted down. Do some research, I implore you, and you will find the names of hundreds and hundreds of scientists who dissent from the AGW thesis. Just for you, here’s a link to start you off. After you have studied this content, come back and tell us about “consensus”. I challenge you…

You want an example of a “loud voice” who willingly crushes dissenting views, then read this example of well known left wing academic Robert Mann. while you are at it, have a good look through the website that link is on. Tell, me, how extreme is it?

Here’s an article on the silencing of scepticism and please feel free to follow the links at the bottom of the page to two US Congressional reports on the issue. As you read, notice how a US Senator confronts the head of the EPA over a threatening email to someone who was writing articles against AGW.

The real killer, of course, is that second link to a US Congress report. You can access it directly here. Notice how it is dated 2007. Back then, many scientists were beginning to realise that much of the science on which AGW was based was just plain wrong.
The report says, and I quote
Many
former believers in catastrophic man-made global warming have recently reversed
themselves and are now climate skeptics. The names included below are just a sampling
of the prominent scientists who have spoken out recently to oppose former Vice President
Al Gore, the United Nations and the media driven “consensus” on man-made global
warming.
The list below is just the tip of the iceberg.
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2007!!
The report also tells us
The media’s climate fear factor seemingly grows louder even as the latest science grows less and less alarming by the day
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There is more, much more StAnastasia and I hope you take the time to follow link, after link, after link and see what has been really going on.

So StAnastasia, instead of writing about"… the legions of termperate voices contributing to the discussion", you should be writing about *“the legions of temperate voices who have been shouted down”. *
 
StAnastasia said:
Yes, there’s a bit of selective listening going on, when AGW deniers listen carefully to the views of the pope and bishops on moral matters relating to unborn human life, and yet dismiss their teachings on moral matters relating to climate change.

StAnastasia
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I find posts like this truly offensive, rude and abusive. No one here has dismissed any moral issues.

If you think so, prove so.
 
Callin said:
Nobody is dismissing the pope/bishop’s moral teachings regarding our duty to protect the planet. We are, however, disputing their positions on whether AGW exists, because they are not infallible in matters of science.
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Of course – there are no infallible doctrines in science, because science doesn’t deal in doctrine. Science deals with proposing theories to explain observed facts. Many Catholic bishops accept the consensus view that the current spike in global warming is humanly caused. Some bishops do not accept this consensus
 
Michael_Saint said:
That’s what Al Gore does to avoid the charge of hypocrisy over his use of private jets and the heating of his mansion.
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There are just far too many people like Al Gore who refuse to cut back on their own unnecessary consumption of natural resources. This includes the average (non-wealthy) citizens, as well.

(BTY, I do not plan to argue anthropogenic global warning itself. I just make occasional comments on consumerism and unnecessary exploitation of the environment.)
 
paully said:
Thanks for the article. I didn’t realize that communist dictators and leftists of the AGW cabal were so anti-American. It also seems like they’re anti freedom and anti-Christian.

Who wants a dictator like Hugo Chavez being you’re cheerleader?

I’m trying to learn.
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This is post 618…here are the threads referred to

theaustralian.com.au/politics/penny-wong-jeered-hugo-chavez-cheered/story-e6frgczf-1225811179614

abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/12/17/2774069.htm?section=world

And this isn’t the first time you’ve posted this type of comment here
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             *Yes, there's a bit of selective listening going on, when AGW deniers listen carefully to the views of the pope and bishops on moral matters relating to unborn human life, and yet dismiss their teachings on moral matters relating to climate change.
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StAnastasia*
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An open letter to the UN Secretary General challenging “…the UNFCCC and supporters of the United Nations Climate Change Conference to produce convincing OBSERVATIONAL EVIDENCE for their claims of dangerous human-caused global warming and other changes in climate.”
It is signed by 141 scientists who say the science is not only not settled, but is flawed.
 
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