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wanner47
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What makes you think the FSSP doesn’t have proper leadership?
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Greetings from NW Phoenix!
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CassiusLonginus
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Well, who’s their leader?
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mullenpm
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SirAlec, the link worked; and it did not only make my heart sad, it broke my heart.:imsorry:
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Sir_Alec
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I should have been clearer in my post. Everyone around here loves to talk about Canon Law, especially as it applies to the SSPX. In the opinion of great saints and canonists like Cajetan, Bellarmine, Suarez, etc., only a Roman Catholic can hold high office in the Church.
The 1917 code of Canon Law declares that a non Catholic is disqualified from the office of Bishop. Bellarmine says that a Bishop who holds any manifest heresy loses his office(his opinion, not mine). Weakland did hold opinions contrary to the Faith of the Catholic Church. Therefore, according to the 1917 code, he would be disqualified from high office.
The dossier I mentioned in the earlier post isn’t about Weakland’s personal pecaddiloes, but about his undermining of the Catholic Church through heresy. In this sense do I say he’s not a Christian, just as I would no longer be a Catholic if I declared today that abortion was to be tolerated, or that homosexuality isn’t a sin. I would be a heretic.
Of course, I submit myself to the ultimate decision of Holy Mother Church. But we are allowed to have opinions about these matters. Being a faithful Catholic doesn’t mean we are automatons, or have to be silent in the face of injustice or evil, even if that evil is perpretrated by churchmen. Weakland was a wolf in sheperd’s clothing, a true hireling who did grave damage to the Church. Them’s just the facts.
I deserve to be in hell for my sins. I thank God that He saved me through grace. If it weren’t for the Sacrament of Penance, I don’t know where I’d be right now. As for “mine”, I don’t know their personal sins. But they also don’t hold authority over the souls of the faithful, who should not be given bread when asked for stones.
“The road to hell is paved with the skulls of bishops”-
St. John Chrystostom
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Sir_Alec
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Mine too.SirAlec, the link worked; and it did not only make my heart sad, it broke my heart.:imsorry:
A friend of mine knows Fr. Weslin, and says he is a saint. He certainly followed the example of his Lord at Notre Dame.
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wanner47
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According to their site, the Superior General of the FSSP is Very Rev. Fr John Berg.
fssp.org/en/organigramme.htm
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Ockham
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Forgive my lack of knowledge, but isn’t the SSPX’s main beef the Novus Ordo Mass?
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jaygo
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Amen! We need to pray for full communion within our Church. Pray for the whole Church especially our SSPX.
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jaygo
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Prayers for your next Archbishop.The Archdiocese of Milwaukee - my home - is in shambles because of his 20+ year reign as Archbishop.
We need your prayers.
Also, pray we get a great bishop from Pope Benedict XVI.
We had one (Abp. Dolan), but someone stole him.
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RosaryCrusader
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It’s the most obvious issue since it’s the most visible but their arguments go much deeper than that; ecumenism, a man’s “natural” right to religious error, etc… things which have caused mass amounts of people abandoning the true Faith.
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Ockham
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Thanks. I just find it odd how an order who uphold the Tridentine Mass was cut out of the Church yet people who experiment and create their own version of the liturgy are allowed to remain i.e. Cardinals, Bishops, orders, etc.
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CassiusLonginus
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Well, that’s just it really, isn’t it? In another thread somebody mentioned ‘speculative history’. Would the TLM have disappeared without Lefebvre? Somebody said “well, it’s all speculation, Lefebvre thought there was a crisis, JPII didn’t”
Who now still seriously believes that there’s no crisis given the examples you point out above? Orthodox belief (in the trad manner) is highly suspect, and even illicit while heterodoxy is both valid and licit. Yeah, the Devil’s doin’ a bang-up job, literally!
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Cluny
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It is not the SSPX’s devotion to the EF that accounts for the friction between them and Rome.
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CassiusLonginus
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Well, not entirely. But it’s not as though Rome wasn’t **extremely **apathetic to the EF for a long time, and to the cause of those trads who actively fought for their right to it. The friction isn’t even due to the consecrations. The friction comes from the fact that there are no errors in the SSPX’s beliefs/practice (the way there were no errors in the Faith for 2000 years before the council). But now there are errors, though of course, not officially promulgated…just tolerated (and nurtured, in many cases). As soon as Rome starts actively combatting the errors and those clergy who ardently support them, and clearly defines her own VII documents to prevent further idiots from destroying the Church and the souls of millions of Catholics, then there will be no friction.
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