Making nice, but working against us

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Catholic missionaries get killed to and not just as a result of crime, but of persecution. I don’t believe I was arguing that they should have been killed. My point was and is that Mormons make nice with us only in order to get us to let our guard down. It is a tactic.
 
The tactic of any missionary should not be to get someone’s guard down, and if they are trying to use that as a tactic, they aren’t being a good missionary. A missionary’s calling (whether LDS or of any church) is to spread an understanding of their religion to the world, in order that people can decide for themselves what they believe. Any other form of conversion is forceful and God does not work by forcing people to do things. Such an attribute I think we can all agree is rather ungodly.
 
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cestusdei:
My point was and is that Mormons make nice with us only in order to get us to let our guard down. It is a tactic.
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I am not sure what you mean by “make nice”. I presume you mean that they try to appear friendly. Well, every missionary of every religion will try to appear friendly. What is the point of being “unfriendly”? You are not exactly going to “make friends and influence people” if you appear to people to be “unfriendly”. Remember what Paul said about his missionary activities:

1 Corinthians 9:

20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

23 And this I do for the gospel’s sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.Like Paul, we also make ourselves “all things to all people” that we may save some. You many disagree with the theology of out religion; but I don’t think that you can find fault with the tactics of our missionaries.

amgid
 
I do find fault with their tactics. They aren’t out just spreadingf understanding. They are trained and managed like a corporate sales force. They are trying to make their numbers and employ whatever tactics are most likely to result in baptisms.
 
I’m sorry you feel that way, but the missionaries are not to “attack” people. Sure, they go door to door, but any missionary will tell you that this is one of the least effective ways to find a discussion. The majority of missionary discussions are completely voluntary by those who have come in contact with Mormonism at some point before in their lives, and are simply seeking to understand what we believe. Going door to door is simply a means of finding those who are searching, but don’t know where to look.

May God be with us all,

Isaac Madsen
 
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cestusdei:
I was visiting a major Catholic shrine this week. A huge and important one. Who was hanging around outside looking to collar catholics on our own home turf? That’s right, 2 young men in white shirts with Elder badges. Keep this in mind when they make nice with you. It is only to get us off guard.
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Yes Fr, cestusdei, we can’t be too careful, as you know Jesus said He was sending us out like lambs among wolves, so it pays to be vigilant.
I’ve heard some older people say things like " the bigger the rogue the more gentile" another was “beware of those that bare the teeth” 😃 (false smiles)
Thanks for bringing that up cestusdei. 👍 anyway arm yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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cestusdei:
flame,
I saw them and they were proslytizing. This is not the first time. I saw them at the Cathedral in Madrid doing the same thing. They weren’t just playing “tourist”. This is a tactic that ex-missionaries will admit to.
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I posted to the following LDS apologetics forum to see if I could gain any helpful information regading this practice:

fairboards.org/index.php?showtopic=10815

Several responses so far but don’t know if there is anything really helpful yet. Most folks agree that LDS Missionaries are NOT supposed to proselytise on other folk’s religious turf, and that most LDS Missions have explicit policies forbidding such practices. We’ll wait a few days and see what folks over there can come up with which might be more specfic.

Simple fix to this. Last I knew, you were in St. Louis, which leads me to suggest that the ‘national shrine’ you are speakng of is Our Lady of the Snows in Belleville, Illionois. As it so happens I live in the O’Fallon Stake, which I believe encompasses Belleville, and I therefore have access to the mailing address for the Stake President and other information. PM me and I will happily send you the info you would need to write a letter. The Stake President would need the date and approximate time and if possible the names of the missionaries involved. If you had photos of their activities, thse would be helpful. My guess is that if you send a letter of complaint as a Roman Catholic priest–you’ll get a response from the LDS Church posthaste.
 
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Tmaque:
I wonder if LDS would like to be “hit on” while visiting the Carthage Jail or Hill Cumorah. I imagine they would take great offense to such activity. Very, very, shameful.
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Speaking of Shameful!

fairlds.org/apol/antis/2002gc.html
fairlds.org/pubs/media/street03ah.wmv

The answer is we are… every six months to be exact…and the answer is we don’t reciprocate.

Every Six months the LDS church has General Conference in SLC and just look who shows up on our door steps?!

:rolleyes:

Were the two LDS missionaries holding any signs or shouting with bullhorns and being disruptive? Desicrating sacred clothing such as a priests smok or a collar or draging the bible through the gutters, placing a crucifix in a cup of bodily fluids?

So just who is playing nice? :eek:
 
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cestusdei:
Catholic missionaries get killed to and not just as a result of crime, but of persecution. I don’t believe I was arguing that they should have been killed. My point was and is that Mormons make nice with us only in order to get us to let our guard down. It is a tactic.
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My best friend got shot on his mission. Still got the bullets in his arms because they were too close to nerves and inoperable.
 
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Zakuska:
Speaking of Shameful!

fairlds.org/apol/antis/2002gc.html
fairlds.org/pubs/media/street03ah.wmv

The answer is we are… every six months to be exact…and the answer is we don’t reciprocate.

Every Six months the LDS church has General Conference in SLC and just look who shows up on our door steps?!

:rolleyes:

Were the two LDS missionaries holding any signs or shouting with bullhorns and being disruptive? Desicrating sacred clothing such as a priests smok or a collar or draging the bible through the gutters?
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How many Catholic Bishops, Priests, Deacons, and Laity do you see in those protests? I have never heard of any Catholic Missionaries passing out publications or protesting outside of LDS places of Worship, have you?

God Bless,
ex-mo
 
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Zakuska:
Speaking of Shameful!

fairlds.org/apol/antis/2002gc.html
fairlds.org/pubs/media/street03ah.wmv

The answer is we are… every six months to be exact…and the answer is we don’t reciprocate.

Every Six months the LDS church has General Conference in SLC and just look who shows up on our door steps?!

:rolleyes:

Were the two LDS missionaries holding any signs or shouting with bullhorns and being disruptive? Desicrating sacred clothing such as a priests smok or a collar or draging the bible through the gutters, placing a crucifix in a cup of bodily fluids?

So just who is playing nice? :eek:
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I didn’t see any Catholics in any of those photos. You won’t find Catholic missionaries disturbing people anywhere. What do anti-mormon evangelicals have to do with LDS Missionaries proselytizing at a Catholic shrine??? Or, are you saying because it’s done to you you can do it to others???
 
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Zakuska:
I saw some nuns a temple square once yes.
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What were these Nuns doing, visiting, proslytizing, or raising money for the poor?

ex-mo
 
Your original post…
I wonder if LDS would like to be “hit on” while visiting the Carthage Jail or Hill Cumorah. I imagine they would take great offense to such activity. Very, very, shameful.
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My answer was directed directly to your “wonder”. The video show How LDS react to it. With indifference. 😉

I never said it was a Catholic Phenominon either. Only that we Are. And treated with far less respect than anything you’d see an LDS missionary doing.
 
I think it’s great when other religious leaders come to our religious, historical sites. I welcome that, and I would mind it if they discussed religion so long as they did it in a mature fashion.

We react with indifference to protestors because a lot of those people are only looking for a fight. The book of Mormon has been dessicrated by anti-mormons for nearly 200 years now. Why should we make a fuss of it? I just hope that none of our own members would do the same to another church.

May God be with us,

Isaac Madsen
 
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Zakuska:
Your original post…

My answer was directed directly to your “wonder”. The video show How LDS react to it. With indifference. 😉

I never said it was a Catholic Phenominon either. Only that we Are. And treated with far less respect than anything you’d see an LDS missionary doing.
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I seem to recall some of those preachers being attacked by some LDS a year or so ago. In any case, no one likes to be accosted by another faith when they are at a place they find spiritually significant. It still seems to me that you’re trying to make two wrongs into a right.
 
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Tmaque:
I seem to recall some of those preachers being attacked by some LDS a year or so ago. In any case, no one likes to be accosted by another faith when they are at a place they find spiritually significant. It still seems to me that you’re trying to make two wrongs into a right.
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Attacked?

The guy pulled the holy clothing out of the preachers hand. The preacher jumped on him and reslted him to the ground over it. Then pressed charges.
 
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Zakuska:
Attacked?

The guy pulled the holy clothing out of the preachers hand. The preacher jumped on him and reslted him to the ground over it. Then pressed charges.
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It still seems to me that you’re trying to make two wrongs into a right.
 
I went to an ex-mormon board and they had posted stories of their missions. They stated clearly how they proslytized Catholics including at their churches. They also told stories of how Mormons “befriend” non-mormons in order to convert them. Friendship was just a tactic. If they person didn’t join in a reasonable period of time they were dropped. I knew a pastor from Utah and he had quite a few such stories. They went after his kids and they were at times excluded due to their “gentile” status. The “nice” lds who offers to drive your kids to school will have no problem witnessing to them in the car. I simply do not trust the lds church.
 
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