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Irishmom2
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Thank you for the link! If only people would bother reading it now.
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JediSisko
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The great thing is it is also a podcast they could lists to.Thank you for the link! If only people would bother reading it now.
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CatholicGeek1
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There are many things to consider. Most of us were not there, and none of us know what really happened. That being said, they deserve a new trial. I do not know if they are innocent or guilty. People say that there was a lot of evidence left out. Maybe there was. That is why I say I do not know their guilt or innocence. However, from what I saw they CLEARLY did not get a fair trial. They should get a new one.According to what I heard on Fox News…
The person that made the documentary left out a lot of evidence that did not support their view.
No, I don’t remember what, and no, I haven’t seen it on Netflix.
Just saying that there are things to consider.
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Irishmom2
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Please! Check out the link on post 20. It sounds like you don’t know what you don’t know.There are many things to consider. Most of us were not there, and none of us know what really happened. That being said, they deserve a new trial. I do not know if they are innocent or guilty. People say that there was a lot of evidence left out. Maybe there was. That is why I say I do not know their guilt or innocence. However, from what I saw they CLEARLY did not get a fair trial. They should get a new one.
Honestly, what you saw was only from the viewpoint of the defense. Of course it appears he is innocent. For what you saw, they clearly did not get a fair trial? That’s what they intended for you to think.
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CatholicGeek1
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I said quite clearly that I do not know if they are guilty or innocent. Quite frankly, at this point I don’t care. The system of justice in this country requires a fair trial. Regardless of any other evidence, my studies of law and the legal system tell me just from what was shown in video from the investigation and court house side of things they did not get a fair trial.Please! Check out the link on post 20. It sounds like you don’t know what you don’t know.
Honestly, what you saw was only from the viewpoint of the defense. Of course it appears he is innocent. For what you saw, they clearly did not get a fair trial? That’s what they intended for you to think.
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Irishmom2
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You seem to miss the point that “what was shown in the video” was one sided.what was shown in video from the investigation and court house side of things they did not get a fair trial.
I am out.
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CatholicGeek1
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You seem to miss my point that as one-sided as it may be, there is literally nothing else that could be added or shown to me that would convince me that they received a fair trial.You seem to miss the point that “what was shown in the video” was one sided.
I am out.
There is a lot that could be added that would sway my feelings on their guilt or innocence, and that is why I don’t have an opinion on that, I don’t know enough and likely never will. But there is nothing that could convince me that they were given a fair and proper trial.
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JediSisko
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Would watching or reading the complete Dassey confession help?You seem to miss my point that as one-sided as it may be, there is literally nothing else that could be added or shown to me that would convince me that they received a fair trial.
There is a lot that could be added that would sway my feelings on their guilt or innocence, and that is why I don’t have an opinion on that, I don’t know enough and likely never will. But there is nothing that could convince me that they were given a fair and proper trial.
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CatholicGeek1
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Nope. They did not receive a fair trial. I honestly don’t care if they are guilty or not. You should have a fair trial.Would watching or reading the complete Dassey confession help?
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Regi
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I am only on episode 4, which I watched last night. It is intriguing to say the least. I also read the complete Dassey confession - it made a difference and has swayed me to believing Steven and Brendan are guilty. I have gone back and forth many times, but I think the cards fall on the guilty side for them. Law enforcement did have some failures, but in my opinion, Steven thought he might be able to get out of this crime, since he was wrongfully accused and exonerated for the sexual assault. My mind is open still, but this is how I feel right now.Would watching or reading the complete Dassey confession help?
I would suggest reading or watching the Dassey confession - it was eye opening for me. I do believe the documentary is very one-sided towards the Averys.
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didymus
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For a very good presentation of a murder case I’d recommend the podcast the first season of Serial. The accused murderer, Adnan Sayed, is still in prison.
The podcast is very evenhanded, they interview the prosecutors (the defense counsel is dead), witnesses from both sides, Sayed himself and do their own investigation. One example, one point Sayed claims in his defense is that he couldn’t have made the drive from his school to the murder scene in twenty minutes as alleged so the producers made the drive – in seventeen minutes.
I haven’t seen it but there is a lot of criticism not just from law and order types, many making the point that it comes nowhere near Serial’s standard for even-handedness.
The podcast is very evenhanded, they interview the prosecutors (the defense counsel is dead), witnesses from both sides, Sayed himself and do their own investigation. One example, one point Sayed claims in his defense is that he couldn’t have made the drive from his school to the murder scene in twenty minutes as alleged so the producers made the drive – in seventeen minutes.
I haven’t seen it but there is a lot of criticism not just from law and order types, many making the point that it comes nowhere near Serial’s standard for even-handedness.
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didymus
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Making of a Murderer, The Simpsons version.
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JediSisko
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I started to listen to Serial. So far so good.For a very good presentation of a murder case I’d recommend the podcast the first season of Serial. The accused murderer, Adnan Sayed, is still in prison.
The podcast is very evenhanded, they interview the prosecutors (the defense counsel is dead), witnesses from both sides, Sayed himself and do their own investigation. One example, one point Sayed claims in his defense is that he couldn’t have made the drive from his school to the murder scene in twenty minutes as alleged so the producers made the drive – in seventeen minutes.
I haven’t seen it but there is a lot of criticism not just from law and order types, many making the point that it comes nowhere near Serial’s standard for even-handedness.
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mikekle
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I have not watched this, but I hear quite a few people talking about, 99.9% of them believe the guy is innocent and what LE/ DA did was very wrong.
I think the fact that we have an innocence project whose only task is to free people sent to prison unjustly, this alone proves we need a MAJOR overhaul of our legal and law enforcement agencies imo.
The big problem to me, is LE and the prosecution do not follow the ‘presumed innocent until proven guilty’, its almost the complete opposite in reality.
I think the fact that we have an innocence project whose only task is to free people sent to prison unjustly, this alone proves we need a MAJOR overhaul of our legal and law enforcement agencies imo.
The big problem to me, is LE and the prosecution do not follow the ‘presumed innocent until proven guilty’, its almost the complete opposite in reality.
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Gordon_Sims
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Just from personal experience, I know that there are prosecutors and others in our justice system who are extremely zealous about certain types of crimes and value convictions over everything else. I have a friend whose brother is now in prison. At the sentencing, Jay watched as one repeat offender after another got time served, a short stint in rehab, or a few weeks in county jail. His first-time offender brother, whose offense just happened to be one of the types the prosecutor really goes nuts over, got ten years. That’s one of the reasons why I have a hard time not supporting Avery at least getting another trial. People in law enforcement are just people, and sometimes they really do let their own beliefs, prejudices, shortcomings and desires cloud their judgment.
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AnneTeresa
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This is a warning to people who may want to watch this. I finished it on Sunday and I have been having trouble sleeping ever since.
It is heartbreaking to see how a young man (the nephew) was treated. As a mother, I cannot imagine it being legal or ethical to pull a young man with limited intellectual abilities aside and to question him without an adult present repeatedly. Some of the tactics they used with him were disgusting. They clearly manipulated him over and over and the poor kid didn’t have the ability to realize what was happening. Even his mom had limited ability to understand what was going on. His first attorney was incompetent and that was very clear. The second attorney said that because of things that happened before that first attorney was replaced, this was going to be a hard job to defend him.
The scenes of the young man’s coerced confessions are truly disturbing. I am disgusted and heartbroken, have been praying for the nephew ever since I finished the series. I live in Wisconsin and wish there was something else I could do because clearly the nephew at least was not served well by the system and deserves a new trial. Sadly he is now 26 and has been in custody or prison for the last 10 years; every attempt to retry the case has been denied. Imagine if that was your son.
Do NOT watch this if you would find this disturbing. I wish I had never watched it.
It is heartbreaking to see how a young man (the nephew) was treated. As a mother, I cannot imagine it being legal or ethical to pull a young man with limited intellectual abilities aside and to question him without an adult present repeatedly. Some of the tactics they used with him were disgusting. They clearly manipulated him over and over and the poor kid didn’t have the ability to realize what was happening. Even his mom had limited ability to understand what was going on. His first attorney was incompetent and that was very clear. The second attorney said that because of things that happened before that first attorney was replaced, this was going to be a hard job to defend him.
The scenes of the young man’s coerced confessions are truly disturbing. I am disgusted and heartbroken, have been praying for the nephew ever since I finished the series. I live in Wisconsin and wish there was something else I could do because clearly the nephew at least was not served well by the system and deserves a new trial. Sadly he is now 26 and has been in custody or prison for the last 10 years; every attempt to retry the case has been denied. Imagine if that was your son.
Do NOT watch this if you would find this disturbing. I wish I had never watched it.
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JediSisko
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I did listen to the entire interrogation of Mr. Dassey. While I believe he shouldn’t have been in that room alone, his story of events come out effortlessly when he talks about the murder of Ms. Halbach. I noticed that when his confession came easiest when it lined up with the evidence. When it didn’t line up he took longer to answer.This is a warning to people who may want to watch this. I finished it on Sunday and I have been having trouble sleeping ever since.
It is heartbreaking to see how a young man (the nephew) was treated. As a mother, I cannot imagine it being legal or ethical to pull a young man with limited intellectual abilities aside and to question him without an adult present repeatedly. Some of the tactics they used with him were disgusting. They clearly manipulated him over and over and the poor kid didn’t have the ability to realize what was happening. Even his mom had limited ability to understand what was going on. His first attorney was incompetent and that was very clear. The second attorney said that because of things that happened before that first attorney was replaced, this was going to be a hard job to defend him.
The scenes of the young man’s coerced confessions are truly disturbing. I am disgusted and heartbroken, have been praying for the nephew ever since I finished the series. I live in Wisconsin and wish there was something else I could do because clearly the nephew at least was not served well by the system and deserves a new trial. Sadly he is now 26 and has been in custody or prison for the last 10 years; every attempt to retry the case has been denied. Imagine if that was your son.
Do NOT watch this if you would find this disturbing. I wish I had never watched it.
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AnneTeresa
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I completely disagree and have no desire to debate it with you. I find this whole way he was treated terribly disturbing.I did listen to the entire interrogation of Mr. Dassey. While I believe he shouldn’t have been in that room alone, his story of events come out effortlessly when he talks about the murder of Ms. Halbach. I noticed that when his confession came easiest when it lined up with the evidence. When it didn’t line up he took longer to answer.
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