Mandatory vaccinations vs moral objection

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But you are on the extreme. Just as extreme as the long time poster who suggested it was child abuse to not vaccinate.

I have a great idea. Encourage and fund some vaccines that are not morally questionable… Until then you better have the same outrage for BMW and Volkswagen drivers because of the history of the companies…
Also you should condemn our Church because it was led by a Pope who guarded German airplane engines in WW2.
 
blackforest said:
Nobody will answer my question, so maybe you can give it a shot (pun not intended). Should my children, not vaccinated for Hep B, be barred from attending Catholic schools?

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These people have no clue how Hep B is transferred and could care less about a 5 year old receiving vaccines that are unnecessary (no less never tested for safety too), they believe in the pharmaceuticals false sense of security and will gaslight your questions as they’ve been doing all night. Interesting also because the Hep B is only prevalent in homeless populations as it’s sexually transferred as well as through needles. I guess they think their babies are druggies or sexually active, all for pharma security. 🤷
 
Really it doesn’t matter what they began vaccinations for. It is silly to think they have the same coverage as a “privileged” white american suburban kid.

I am sorry my point was misunderstood by you at the beginning. It was meant to demonstrate the OPPOSITE of what you thought but it was meant to lead one down that path. It is just that by going down that path you should see how ridiculous it is.

The immigrant situation is an ironic example of the lack of logic on both sides.
 
Hoosier-Daddy said:
Bottom line. It is a choice that a parent makes in the best interest of the child. We may disagree with that choice but we need to stop policing others who are acting in their own conscience.
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Thank you! I wish there were more like you. We don’t vaccinate our children and we believe they are much better off because of it.
 
Usagi said:
No one is “injecting other women’s aborted babies” into themselves, for Heaven’s sake. The vaccines are, at worst, cultured in cell lines descended from an aborted fetus’ cells. The cells themselves aren’t injected into anyone. Even if they were, it would be no worse than the organs or tissues of a murder victim being used to save others — a good thing, without making the murder itself a good thing. No one is aborting kids who would otherwise have lived in order to culture vaccines in their cells.
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You have never read a vaccine insert? It states right on the insert which cell lines are inside of the vaccines, the cells are well-known to regrow themselves throughout each batch and play an important role of stimulating the immune response. COGFL has the PDF which cells are in which vaccines, there’s an entire list, so no you are way off base. Also, the rest of your reply was already spoken about above, pls arrow up.
 
It has just crossed my mind…
For the purposes of vaccines, legal or illegal, say my children and ourselves have never been requested vaccines upon entry.
As for children, let us assume that as all children have to attend school in US , your Health Care Department may be covered that way.
As for adults, I may assume in good faith that being the US health care department aware that in my country vaccines are mandatory and all the mandatory are given during school years, then we could cross safely the port of entry.
For the purposes of not panicking…in the case of our nation, if as legal adults we are given a pass , there would be no reason to panick about it if illegal.( not defending anything illegal)
This assuming that Health Deprtment is familiar with diseases in each particular country and vaccination. It may not be so…I do not know.
 
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Hepatitis is transmitted by contaminated bodily fluids…considering how knowledgeable children are about cleanliness, it’s possible that they could be exposed.
 
Hoosier-Daddy said:
But you are on the extreme. Just as extreme as the long time poster who suggested it was child abuse to not vaccinate.

I have a great idea. Encourage and fund some vaccines that are not morally questionable… Until then you better have the same outrage for BMW and Volkswagen drivers because of the history of the companies…
Also you should condemn our Church because it was led by a Pope who guarded German airplane engines in WW2.
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It’s extreme to have a need for the abortion market and these womens abortions in general, and? Ethics matter on this topic to us, even if you don’t feel they do. Also, the BMW companies never built their cars out of murdered humans, so your example is not one.
 
To be enrolled in a public school, you have to have an immunization record. I can’t speak for other states but in Florida, we would issue an immunization record that said “religious exception” on it instead of dates. Not sure if they still do that though
 
Yes, our kids went to school in Texas and it was the same.
What I am trying to say is that for the purposes of health our family as citizens of x country were not required to present vaccines.
So…either you panick also by legal visitors or maybe no need to panick for none . But I do not see the difference between adult , legal or illegal if the country of origin is the same…
 
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To be enrolled in a public school, you have to have an immunization record. I can’t speak for other states but in Florida, we would issue an immunization record that said “religious exception” on it instead of dates. Not sure if they still do that though
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In 47 states exemptions still exist so no a record is not needed in majority of states, and yes FL still has their religious exemption too.
 
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I don’t think you will find a single person on here who thinks it is a good thing to have aborted babies used in this way. No one is saying that.

Pope BXVI worked as a guard while in the “Hitler youth” … an armed guard over a airplane engine manufacturer. Those engines were built and employed by Hitler to wage war and kill millions. That engine manufacturer was Bavarian Motor Works… or BMW…

The Pope’s brother, a German soldier, was shot and wounded by the Americans. He is of course a Holy priest and BXVI is a possible future doctor of the Church.

If you wish to scream from the bell tower that the Pope Emeritus is a horrific man who should never be listened to because of his history that made him who he is then go for it I guess…

But while he and his whole family was against Hitler politically and ideologically, his contributions to the kingdom of God should not be diminished or not listened to

Vaccines… same…
Again, you are certainly free to either come up with a vaccine that is morally pure, or fund someone else to do so.
 
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I don’t think you will find a single person on here who thinks it is a good thing to have aborted babies used in this way. No one is saying that.

Pope BXVI worked as a guard while in the “Hitler youth” as a armed guard over a airplane engine manufacturer. Those engines were built and employed by Hitler to wage war and kill millions. That engine manufacturer was Bavarian Motor Works… or BMW…

The Pope’s brother, a German soldier, was shot and wounded by the Americans. He is of course a Holy priest and BXVI is a possible future doctor of the Church.

If you wish to scream from the bell tower that the Pope Emeritus is a horrific man who should never be listened to because of his history that made him who he is then go for it I guess…

But while he and his whole family was against Hitler politically and ideologically, his contributions to the kingdom of God should not be diminished or not listened to

Vaccines… same…
Again, you are certainly free to either come up with a vaccine that is morally pure, or fund someone else to do so.
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So you claim it’s unethical to “use babies in this way,” and then aim to try to unethically disconnect the immoral action of using babies in this way, only to turn around and claim it’s perfectly acceptable to use babies in this way? Would it be acceptable to then also use cell pieces of Jewish people in vaccines then? You’d give a moral pass to abusing their bodies, only to continually use them later too? Very sad for the pope you mentioned, but the cars themselves do not have the blood of Jews manufactured into the paint, while the usage of said aircraft may have been later used to kill millions.

And that’s exactly what pro-vac choice (you all call them anti-vax, but most are actually EX-vax) individuals have been trying to do with putting pressure on the Church to help, as well as our senators and drug makers to make safe, moral, vaccines. This is what RFKJr is currently doing too at our senate meets, the pressure is being mounted and efforts are underway if everyone would take a minute to see our concerns too.
 
So actually, vaccination rates have been on a steady uptick nationally since the 1960s. https://www.healthchoicevt.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/coverage-levels.pdfThe Vaccines for Children program gave the the rates a serious boost. Only a teensy weensy minority of NY parents file for exemptions. Vaccination Coverage for Selected Vaccines and Exemption Rates Among Children in Kindergarten — United States, 2017–18 School Year | MMWR You could reply that measles outbreaks happen in a “pockets” but there have always been pockets. And you’d think they’d have been more prevalent with lower national rates. We need to ask ourselves why these outbreaks are occurring at such high immunization rates. It’s a lot more complex than just “ebil anti-vaxxers.” The Re-Emergence of Measles in Developed Countries: Time to Develop the Next-Generation Measles Vaccines?
Hoosier-Daddy said:
Your assertion is that refugees are vaccinated before they come to the US?

that is laughable!
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It’s actually true. It’s a requirement to have a whole slew of vaccines in order to live in the U.S. under refugee status. I have personally transported refugees to the health clinic to get their vaccines.
Usagi said:
. Even if they were, it would be no worse than the organs or tissues of a murder victim being used to save others — a good thing, without making the murder itself a good thing.
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Actually, I’d give pause if my loved one were murdered and somebody turned their cells into an indemnified, for-profit, mandatory pharmaceutical product. There’s something eerily utilitarian about that idea.
Hoosier-Daddy said:
I have a great idea. Encourage and fund some vaccines that are not morally questionable…
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Catholics are trying. I believe a petition was even circulating recently online. But what business incentive does Merck have to comply? Their products are already mandated and indemnified. Why go through the extra expense of developing a more expensive version of them? I’d love to see more ethically sourced vaccines! And I do sympathize with your position - too much fanaticism comes out of this debate from both sides.
Lemuel said:
That is for the schools to decide. We don’t vaccinate, but we also homeschool. It’s the best of both worlds.
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We vaccinate and homeschool! Don’t get complacent, though. A non-school measles outbreak came to Disneyland. So California banned non-medical exemptions for school attendance. Then measles showed up again. So now a doc-turned-politician is blaming a minuscule number of medical exemptions. Mark my words - when a third outbreak hits, they’re coming after the homeschoolers, and I have no doubt that other states will try, too.
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Hepatitis is transmitted by contaminated bodily fluids…considering how knowledgeable children are about cleanliness, it’s possible that they could be exposed.
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It’s transmitted like HIV/AIDS - primarily through sexual intercourse and drug needles.
Should we give kids without Hep B vaccination the Ryan White treatment? Especially considering that Hep B+ kids cannot be barred from school?
 
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I would love to have a rational discussion with you. Lets slow it down and take it one step at a time.

Can you please state your main point in one sentence?

have you read my posts?
 
I just had a measles titer to make sure I’m immune.

I’ve had a rubella titer and chicken pox titer done while pregnant, those illnesses are dangerous for unborn babies

I was vaccinated as an adult for varicella. I never had it as a child.
 
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