Many Adams and Eves?

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MOF let me take this a step farther. As time has elapsed we have come to understand through the super information highway, that many among us are gifted. In a sense that some see Ghosts and Demons and are able to glimpse into other dmensions of the Paranormal, many have a Sixth sense. Their are those who can heal. those who can predict future events accurately etc, etc!. Surely you have all read about Edgar Cayce. He had memorized the Bible by the time he was 9. He was visited by the Blessed Mother and he asked her for the Gift of being able to Heal. As she gave him this gift she also told him of the responsibility that came with it.

I don’t have “this” gift. But I’ll tell you why I mention this. I was born empathic to a empathic mother. Of 4 children I am the only one who has inherited this…well for many, many years I thought it to be a curse. Though it is indeed a Gift from God. Today through constant prayer in time. I have come to understand that. My mother is 86 and has prayed the rosary every day of her life. I pray the rosary every day often more than once.

My point is this; I follow this very closely now and have for some time. Now through communication we have come to realize that without a doubt Evil and Demons do exist. As does God and Gods Light and other supernatural beings. I could elaborate further but at this moment you are either going to believe what I am telling you or reject it. Regardless of “your” belief on this, it is real and exists. How it all plays into Heaven and Hell and how many dimensions actually exist? Who are all the players? We simply do not know all this as of “yet”. But as we come closer to each other in our feelinga and experience’s. We realize the truths about the existance of GOD and Jesus and the Blessed Mother and St Michael and St Benedict. And the “strength” of the Trinity and the Blessed Mother is “very” “very” powerfull. More so than any other that we have experienced. Satan is here and he is rasing havoc.

Along with this truth comes a responsibility. It has been foretold that the greatest sin of our time is Sloth. The more understanding you seek, the more you will be given. And the more resposible “you” will become for this Faith. If you desire to come closer to God? Pray the Rosary daily. Nothing will bring you closer to him faster than that. But remember what I am saying to you. And as you come closer to God and he moves closer to you, “You” will have a responsibility to this Faith that will grow and you will not be able to deny it. THIS is a GOOD THING!

Just be carefull what you ask for. Because you just might get it.

God Bless, GT
 
GaryTaylor said:
MOF let me take this a step farther. As time has elapsed we have come to understand through the super information highway, that many among us are gifted. In a sense that some see Ghosts and Demons and are able to glimpse into other dmensions of the Paranormal, many have a Sixth sense. Their are those who can heal. those who can predict future events accurately etc, etc!. Surely you have all read about Edgar Cayce. He had memorized the Bible by the time he was 9. He was visited by the Blessed Mother and he asked her for the Gift of being able to Heal. As she gave him this gift she also told him of the responsibility that came with it.

I don’t have “this” gift. But I’ll tell you why I mention this. I was born empathic to a empathic mother. Of 4 children I am the only one who has inherited this…well for many, many years I thought it to be a curse. Though it is indeed a Gift from God. Today through constant prayer in time. I have come to understand that. My mother is 86 and has prayed the rosary every day of her life. I pray the rosary every day often more than once.

My point is this; I follow this very closely now and have for some time. Now through communication we have come to realize that without a doubt Evil and Demons do exist. As does God and Gods Light and other supernatural beings. I could elaborate further but at this moment you are either going to believe what I am telling you or reject it. Regardless of “your” belief on this, it is real and exists. How it all plays into Heaven and Hell and how many dimensions actually exist? Who are all the players? We simply do not know all this as of “yet”. But as we come closer to each other in our feelinga and experience’s. We realize the truths about the existance of GOD and Jesus and the Blessed Mother and St Michael and St Benedict. And the “strength” of the Trinity and the Blessed Mother is “very” “very” powerfull. More so than any other that we have experienced. Satan is here and he is rasing havoc.

Along with this truth comes a responsibility. It has been foretold that the greatest sin of our time is Sloth. The more understanding you seek, the more you will be given. And the more resposible “you” will become for this Faith. If you desire to come closer to God? Pray the Rosary daily. Nothing will bring you closer to him faster than that. But remember what I am saying to you. And as you come closer to God and he moves closer to you, “You” will have a responsibility to this Faith that will grow and you will not be able to deny it. THIS is a GOOD THING!

Just be carefull what you ask for. Because you just might get it.

God Bless, GT
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This post is in violation of forum rules and has been reported. I hope nobody responds to it (other than reporting it). 😦
 
ThomasToo said:
I don’t think you quite understand the technical meaning of the word ‘theory.’ Strictly speaking gravity is a theory as is the idea that germs cause disease. Isaac Asimov put it best when he said ‘creationists make it sound as though a “theory” is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night’ (Remarks made to the National Coalition Against Censorship, 1960). Being a theory does nothing to undermine evolution as an explanation for the variety of life on earth is the notion that it is ‘merely’ a theory is, frankly, ludicrous. So too is the idea that ’ recently it has been realized through science this may “not” be true,’ as is often posted on wikipedia, [citation needed]].

Here are actual facts, with citations which are unavailable for yours since it most likely never happened. Einstein said ‘I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one’ (Albert Einstein in a letter to Guy H. Raner Jr., 28 September 1949). And ‘I believe in Spinoza’s God, Who reveals Himself in the lawful harmony of the world, not in a God Who concerns Himself with the fate and the doings of mankind’ (Telegram to Rabbi Herbert S. Goldstein, 24 April 1929). Finally, he said ‘the word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this’ (Gutkind Letter, 3 January 1954),

Einstein’s god is not your god and is in a sense synonymous with the fundamental constants of the universe.

This is manifestly and demonstrably false and is not scientific fact in any sense.
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Theory is “merely” a “concept” which is based on the Greek word “Phlosophy” It is a Hypothesis yet to be proven by fact. Asimov would be another with “no faith”. And would fall in a simliar catogary as Kaku. Read what Einstien said on his dying bed. That was his “final” thoughts on the topic. Are you sure “you” understand what a Theory is?
 
GaryTaylor said:
Theory is “merely” a “concept” which is based on the Greek word “Phlosophy” It is a Hypothesis yet to be proven by fact. Asimov would be another with “no faith”. And would fall in a simliar catogary as Kaku. Read what Einstien said on his dying bed. That was his “final” thoughts on the topic.
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Please, what does “MOF” stand for?
 
LittleSoldier said:
What was Darwin’s intention and why the sarcastic emoticon?

We “guys” get it. If you had read my last couple of posts you would see that even the Church has accepted evolution as a doctrine.

What in the world could be wrong with trying to understand God’s gifts to us? Isn’t that what He gave us intelligence for? When I was growing up I was always interested in animals. I had a kind of calling to biology and psychology. I believe my interests were given to me by a loving God - the same God who created me.

What you have heard from people like Ed is that scientists are trying to take God out of the picture and that is not true. If it were true why would I be a Catholic? I’m sure some scientists do try to take God out of the picture, just like some historians do. Lots of people do.

But what Ed does not realize is that there are many Catholic scientists who do believe that God created everything, including us, and have absolutely no intention of trying to do away with Him. Why would we? We couldn’t even if we wanted to and we don’t want to! I love God! God is the most important thing in my life right now. Without Him I would be dead. He is all that is keeping me alive.

What about all the Catholic physicians? There’s even a group on CAF for them. They are scientists. Are they evil? Science is not evil. It has no way to represent itself as a god, as Ed claims. It is just a way of looking at the world; of looking at God’s creations and trying to understand them.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I believe God gave us intelligence so that we would use it. I’m personally insulted by so many things that Ed has said. He has mischaracterized us and it isn’t fair. Not one of us believes a bag of slime ever grew a brain. For Pete’s sake, that’s like a B sci-fi movie.

We are human beings, many of us Catholic or non-Catholic Christians who love God and try to follow His teachings the best we can.

And as scientists, we will continue to hypothesize and research and hone our methods and research and research again. That is what we do (well, at least the lucky ones - I can’t because I’m disabled). Every little bit of information is important. If a theory doesn’t pan out, it is discarded and a new theory replaces it. That has been going on for centuries.

Shouldn’t we try to understand God’s creations? To me, that is a way of glorifying Him.
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Since we are in the post-Darwin era my question is why do we still try to fit it in to Catholicism. It is wasting time. Study the new science and see how it is leaving random mutations behind.

We should try to understand God’s creation. I didn’t mean to suggest we shouldn’t.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Theory is “merely” a “concept” which is based on the Greek word “Phlosophy” It is a Hypothesis yet to be proven by fact. Asimov would be another with “no faith”. And would fall in a simliar catogary as Kaku. Read what Einstien said on his dying bed. That was his “final” thoughts on the topic. Are you sure “you” understand what a Theory is?
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“Philosophy” is not a Greek word but “philosophia” is. The fact that Asimov may have been an atheist–I’m not entirely sure if he was or not–is irrelevant.

I read what you said but there is no recorded evidence of him actually saying anything of the sort on his death bed and my point is that what he means by ‘god’ is not at all what you do.

I know precisely what a theory is and it is not ‘a hypothesis yet to be proven by fact.’ Proof does not come into it. A theory is ‘a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, esp. one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.’
 
PM if you would like to discuss Theory. I have an Electrical Engineering degree. I’m aware of it. But let us get back on “topic” here.

My point is and remains. That I firmly believe in Adam and Eve. And the Catholic faith in its entire form. As I pass through this world, it just continues to ring true for me.

God Bless you ALL, GT
 
LittleSoldier said:
I’m merely pointing out what was written in the article. I agree with you. I don’t think theistic evolution is an actual doctrine. But it is an allowable interpretation of Genesis.
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LittleSoldier, “theistic evolution” cannot be doctrine, any more than “theistic gravity” could be doctrine. Gravity and evolution are scientific theories, and always will be scientific theories. Evolution cannot be “doctrine” any more than gravity can, or the speed of light, or plate tectonics.

StAnastasia
 
GaryTaylor said:
I’m sorry “Matter of Fact”. You didnt think I was swearing did ya?🙂
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Well, uh, I didn’t think you were swearing but I admit I did try to line up some uh, inappropriate terms with the letters. :o

Thank you. I had never seen that before.
 
StAnastasia said:
LittleSoldier, “theistic evolution” cannot be doctrine, any more than “theistic gravity” could be doctrine. Gravity and evolution are scientific theories, and always will be scientific theories. Evolution cannot be “doctrine” any more than gravity can, or the speed of light, or plate tectonics.

StAnastasia
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I agree. One of my points is that an article introduced by an anti-evolution poster makes the statement that theistic evolution is Church doctrine.

I think the article is misleading. But it’s not my article - it’s another poster’s article.

Please refer to my post #707. In my post #709 I stated that I agreed one hundred percent with what Pope Benedict has said. But I didn’t mean that I agree one hundred percent with the article.
 
LittleSoldier said:
I agree. One of my points is that an article introduced by an anti-evolution poster makes the statement that theistic evolution is Church doctrine. Please refer to my post #707. In my post #709 I stated that I agreed one hundred percent with what Pope Benedict has said. But I didn’t mean that I agree one hundred percent with the article.
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One line is curious: “But it is also true that the theory of evolution is not a complete, scientifically proven theory.”

This statement is true of all scientific theories. Anyone who knows anything about science knows that there is no such thing as “a complete, scientifically proven theory.” All scientific knowledge is provisional.
 
buffalo said:
Since we are in the post-Darwin era my question is why do we still try to fit it in to Catholicism. It is wasting time. Study the new science and see how it is leaving random mutations behind.

We should try to understand God’s creation. I didn’t mean to suggest we shouldn’t.
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Are we in the post-Darwin era? Some, maybe even most scientists and theologists may believe so, but some would disagree. I’ve stated that my education re the mechanics of evolution is not up-to-date, but from what I’ve read in this thread there are others whose information is much more current. Are you saying those others are wasting their time? Does this have something to do with IDvolution? Are you actually saying that your term represents the only possible scientific theory of evolution? I would hope not.

Are you saying I should study the new science? Wouldn’t that be a waste of time that I could spend in prayer or in helping the less fortunate or in seeing the love of God’s creation in nature? Aren’t I attempting to study the new science simply by reading your posts in this thread?

Your reference to “wasting time” is in response to a post of mine which is in response to a post introducing an article which uses the term “Darwinian evolution.” Here is a quote from that article:

“Since taking office, the Pope has sent mixed signals on evolution. In November 2005, Cardinal Paul Poupard, head of the Pontifical Council for Culture, told a press conference that the Genesis account of creation and Darwin’s theory of evolution were “perfectly compatible” if the Bible was read correctly.”

Granted, that statement was made 4 1/2 years ago. But I would be surprised if within the last 4 1/2 years so much progress has been made in refining theories of evolution that they are leaving “random mutations behind.”

Thank you for the clarification about studying God’s creation. I appreciate it.
 
LittleSoldier said:
Are we in the post-Darwin era? Some, maybe even most scientists and theologists may believe so, but some would disagree. I’ve stated that my education re the mechanics of evolution is not up-to-date, but from what I’ve read in this thread there are others whose information is much more current. Are you saying those others are wasting their time? Does this have something to do with IDvolution? Are you actually saying that your term represents the only possible scientific theory of evolution? I would hope not.

Are you saying I should study the new science? Wouldn’t that be a waste of time that I could spend in prayer or in helping the less fortunate or in seeing the love of God’s creation in nature? Aren’t I attempting to study the new science simply by reading your posts in this thread?

Your reference to “wasting time” is in response to a post of mine which is in response to a post introducing an article which uses the term “Darwinian evolution.” Here is a quote from that article:

“Since taking office, the Pope has sent mixed signals on evolution. In November 2005, Cardinal Paul Poupard, head of the Pontifical Council for Culture, told a press conference that the Genesis account of creation and Darwin’s theory of evolution were “perfectly compatible” if the Bible was read correctly.”

Granted, that statement was made 4 1/2 years ago. But I would be surprised if within the last 4 1/2 years so much progress has been made in refining theories of evolution that they are leaving “random mutations behind.”

Thank you for the clarification about studying God’s creation. I appreciate it.
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IDvolution - does this make sense?

http://home.roadrunner.com/~annunciation/idvolution.gif
 
Buffalo,

To be clear, at your reading IDvolution is not science then since the intersection of IDvolution and science is empty?
 
ThomasToo said:
Buffalo,

To be clear, at your reading IDvolution is not science then since the intersection of IDvolution and science is empty?
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Revelation feeds faith
Science feeds reason

Faith and Reason intersect.

IDvolution explores this intersection.
 
buffalo said:
Revelation feeds faith
Science feeds reason

Faith and Reason intersect.

IDvolution explores this intersection.
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Interesting though it seems it would only explore part of the intersection (i.e. IDvolution–which I’m still not sure I understand but that’s not the point here–does not exhaust the intersection of faith and reason).
 
ThomasToo said:
Interesting though it seems it would only explore part of the intersection (i.e. IDvolution–which I’m still not sure I understand but that’s not the point here–does not exhaust the intersection of faith and reason).
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I agree. The movement of the intersection would mostly slide in or out from the reason direction.
 
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