Many Adams and Eves?

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StrawberryJam said:
Dear Granny,

On what basis does the CCC use for findings?
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The Hebrew Scriptures, The New Testament, tradition, writings of Early Church Fathers and subsequent philosophers and theologians, writings of saints and scholars, Church Council documents, liturgies and prayers etc., are the basis for the* Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition.* Its footnotes, cross references, and glossary are valuable aids. Also included in the Catechism is support information for various teachings.

It isn’t that those putting together the CCC looked for information or findings. Rather, Catholic teaching already existed, but it needed to be put in an universal publication in a clear manner.

Blessings,
granny

The quest for spiritual truth needs Catholicism.
 
grannymh said:
Unfortunately, the current ban on evolution discussions prevents me from discussing and defending the realty of human nature and its two sole parents from a natural science point of view.
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One of the reasons CAF bans discussion of evolution is fear: there is no defense of a literal Adam and Eve from a natural scientific point of view. If there were the scientific journals and conferences would be crammed with articles and sessions on the topic. Another reason is that it seems difficult for people to conduct the discussion on an intellectual level that does not soon degrade into uncharitable accusations that people who don’t accept science are no real Catholics.

StAnastasia
 
PeterK said:
“Does the matrix engage philosophical questions in any depth? It is it fairly fluffy on big questions? I’m not saying I won’t spend time on it if it doesn’t - I’m just curious.”

It’s tough to justify paying that much for high school tuition. …It may be best that in the formative years of High School your children are receiving their instruction in the faith from their parents. Nothing beats home cooking - right?
Enjoy.Pete
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Pete, thanks. Ive been away from home for two weeks, lecturing on evolution and Catholic theology at various sites in the Pacific Northwest. There’s a sad situation in the Diocese of Baker, where the bishop, Robert Vasa, has driven out huge numbers of university-educated Catholics because of his stance on a variety of issues, including evolution. Some cradle Catholics have become Episcopalian or Lutheran or Presbyterian. Others just don’t go to church any more. I was asked to come address the issues of science and theology.

Yes, $120,000 for high school tuition is a bit steep. But we will continue to educate our sons in the faith, and maybe they can take theology at university.

StAnastasia
 
StAnastasia said:
One of the reasons CAF bans discussion of evolution is fear: there is no defense of a literal Adam and Eve from a natural scientific point of view. If there were the scientific journals and conferences would be crammed with articles and sessions on the topic. Another reason is that it seems difficult for people to conduct the discussion on an intellectual level that does not soon degrade into uncharitable accusations that people who don’t accept science are no real Catholics.

StAnastasia
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Glad to see that you are safely back.

On the other hand, natural science has not been able to rule out a real Adam and Eve.
There are plenty of guesses.😉

When one ignores the hype and does some analyzing, one finds interesting assumptions about what transpired millions and millions of years ago.
Pre-history is fertile ground for all kinds of theories.:clapping:

Blessings,
granny

Human nature is unique in all the universe.
 
StAnastasia said:
Pete, thanks. Ive been away from home for two weeks, lecturing on evolution and Catholic theology at various sites in the Pacific Northwest. There’s a sad situation in the Diocese of Baker, where the bishop, Robert Vasa, has driven out huge numbers of university-educated Catholics because of his stance on a variety of issues, including evolution. Some cradle Catholics have become Episcopalian or Lutheran or Presbyterian. Others just don’t go to church any more. I was asked to come address the issues of science and theology.

Yes, $120,000 for high school tuition is a bit steep. But we will continue to educate our sons in the faith, and maybe they can take theology at university.

StAnastasia
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Please, what did you say about the issues of science and theology?
 
grannymh said:
On the other hand, natural science has not been able to rule out a real Adam and Eve. There are plenty of guesses.😉
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Yes, science does indeed rule out the origin of the human species from one single pair. Of course, you are free to disagree, but then you leave the company of scientists and move into the realm of fantasy. And fantasy is good too, but it is not science!
 
Science does not include other areas of reason that we still need.

Science is limited and incomplete.

God bless,
Ed
 
As a lover of science, I flat out refuse to be intimidated by those who misunderstand and misinterpret its place and purpose, its methods and materials. The idea of moving into the realm of “good” fantasy quickly melts in the sunshine of Divine Revelation. I seek, even demand, the truth from both Catholicism and Science.

Basic Catholic teaching regarding Adam and Eve is found in the
Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, ISBN: 1-57455-109-4
Paragraphs 355-421.

The good news of Jesus Christ follows in Paragraph 422, etc.

One can put the word paragraph and the number in the Catechism’s search bar in link www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm Entering topics, like Adam, is also very useful.

When you enter a paragraph number, like “paragraph 355”, and then click on the opening line, CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 355 you will see the following under the paragraph:

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Blessings,
granny

" The shepherds sing; and shall I silent be?"
from the poem “Christmas” by George Herbert
 
grannymh said:
As a lover of science, I flat out refuse to be intimidated by those who misunderstand and misinterpret its place and purpose, its methods and materials. The idea of moving into the realm of “good” fantasy quickly melts in the sunshine of Divine Revelation. I seek, even demand, the truth from both Catholicism and Science.
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Evolution is a vital, well-supported, unifying principle of the biological sciences, and the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the idea that all living things share a common ancestry. Although there are legitimate debates about the patterns and processes of evolution, there is no serious scientific doubt that evolution occurred or that natural selection is a major mechanism in its occurrence. It is scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically irresponsible for creationist pseudoscience, including but not limited to “intelligent design,” to be introduced into the science curricula of our nation’s public schools. Catholics who are themselves untutored as to how science works should not participate in deceiving schoolchildren. The effect of this is that when children grow up and learn they have been deceived, they often misguidedly reject the Catholic faith as a whole.
 
Regarding post 1059

The various points in post 1059 demonstrate the need for brave Catholics to defend the reality of Adam and Eve. As an inspiration, I recommend paragraph 355 in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition. Hungry lions are still among us.

Blessings,
granny

“The shepherds sing; and shall I silent be?”
from the poem “Christmas” by George Herbert
 
grannymh said:
The various points in post 1059 demonstrate the need for brave Catholics to defend the reality of Adam and Eve. As an inspiration, I recommend paragraph 355 in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition. Hungry lions are still among us.]
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Here it is:

355 "God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him, male and female he created them."218 Man occupies a unique place in creation: (I) he is “in the image of God”; (II) in his own nature he unites the spiritual and material worlds; (III) he is created “male and female”; (IV) God established him in his friendship.
 
StAnastasia said:
Evolution is a vital, well-supported, unifying principle of the biological sciences, and the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the idea that all living things share a common ancestry. Although there are legitimate debates about the patterns and processes of evolution, there is no serious scientific doubt that evolution occurred or that natural selection is a major mechanism in its occurrence. It is scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically irresponsible for creationist pseudoscience, including but not limited to “intelligent design,” to be introduced into the science curricula of our nation’s public schools. Catholics who are themselves untutored as to how science works should not participate in deceiving schoolchildren. The effect of this is that when children grow up and learn they have been deceived, they often misguidedly reject the Catholic faith as a whole.
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That is false. Science cannot prove God. Period. The deception is that Science, not Divine Revelation, leads to the truth about God. Faith cometh by hearing.

How often have I read here that science cannot study God or comment on God or that science is silent about God.

God bless,
Ed
 
edwest2 said:
That is false. Science cannot prove God. Period. The deception is that Science, not Divine Revelation, leads to the truth about God. Faith cometh by hearing.
How often have I read here that science cannot study God or comment on God or that science is silent about God.
God bless,
Ed
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Ed, I assume you are joking. If not, this post demonstrates either that your reading skills are rusty, or that you are deliberately misrepresenting what I said.
 
Dear StAnastasia,

My brief encounter with natural science dates to the early 50’s. The beginning of post 1059 is a good example of what could easily have been written back then.

But, the playing field of natural science changed dramatically with the attack on the true, fully complete human person. Today, post 1059 (before the pseudoscience comments) indicates additional meanings unfavorable to human nature.

It is the Catholic Church which defends the true, fully complete human person with its position on the reality of Adam and Eve.

Comments about pseudoscience are simply a distraction from the real issue of human existence and what it means.

Blessings,
granny

The search for spiritual truth leads to the Catholic Church.
 
Basic Catholic teaching regarding Adam and Eve is found in the
Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, ISBN: 1-57455-109-4
Paragraphs 355-421.

The good news of Jesus Christ follows in Paragraph 422, etc.

One can put the word paragraph and the number in the Catechism’s search bar in link www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm Entering topics, like Adam, is also very useful.

When you enter a paragraph number, like “paragraph 355”, and then click on the opening line, CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 355 you will see the following under the paragraph:

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StAnastasia said:
Evolution is a vital, well-supported, unifying principle of the biological sciences, and the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the idea that all living things share a common ancestry. Although there are legitimate debates about the patterns and processes of evolution, there is no serious scientific doubt that evolution occurred or that natural selection is a major mechanism in its occurrence. It is scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically irresponsible for creationist pseudoscience, including but not limited to “intelligent design,” to be introduced into the science curricula of our nation’s public schools. Catholics who are themselves untutored as to how science works should not participate in deceiving schoolchildren. The effect of this is that when children grow up and learn they have been deceived, they often misguidedly reject the Catholic faith as a whole.
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Forgive me for asking how they can be compatible?
 
diggerdomer said:
No, Adam is not a type of Christ. Not at all. Christ is unique. Read Romans or the rest of the New Testament or the Catechism.
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Hi diggerdomer, the Scripture reference that you supply would indicate that your statement is in error, viz., Romans 5:14, “Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, WHO IS THE FIGURE OF HIM THAT WAS TO COME.” (Capitalization of quote mine).
Christian regards,

ALISANDRO.
 
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