Many Protestants argue "How can this man give us his flesh to eat."

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Jesuspaiditall said:
Read Hebrews 9 and 10. Jesus was sacrificed ONCE FOR ALL. He doesn’t keep sacrificing himself!
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Hello,

YES, IT IS TRUE THAT OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST DIED FOR US ALL ONLY ONCE ONLY! We Catholics know that!

Our Lord does not die for us over and over again like you think we believe. Again, Catholic teaching is that Jesus Christ Died for us Once.

Regarding the Sacrifice of the Mass we do this in memory of Jesus, For Jesus Christ, said: “DO THIS IN MEMORY OF ME”

As for the Body and Blood we Catholics know that it is truly our Lord Jesus Christ Body, Soul, and Divinity. I know you find this hard to believe and again, YOU find this HARD TO ENDURE LIKE SCRIPTURE SAYS OF YOU IN John 6: 60 After hearing this many of his disciplesre marked, 'This sort of talk is hard to ENDURE! How can anyone take it SERIOUSLY

The Protestants like yourself is STILL quarreling like the Jews back then did in: (John 6: 52) At this the Jews, " quarreled among themselves, saying, "How can he give us his flesh to eat!

Don’t you see yourselves like them Jews at that time who did not believe in our Lords WORDS ? Now its the Protestants Church who now quarrels about the Body and Blood of Christ.

The Catholic Church takes the WORDS of Jesus Literally! That it is truely the Body and Blood of our Lord!

And for that the Catholic Church is being Presecuted By you and others who don’t have the Grace of God to BELIEVE!.iN THE TRUE PRESENCE of Jesus Christ…

And for this Many of you leave, like in (John 6: 66) From this time on, many of his disciples BROKE AWAY and would not remain in his company any longer.

Again they left cause they THOUGHT EXACTLY WHAT PROTESTANTS BELIEVE “HOW CAN THIS MAN GIVE US HIS FLESH TO EAT”

We all know those who BOKE AWAY Like those above or those who do not believe in the Jesus Christ or refuse to believe in Jesus OR FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT ACCEPT THE TRUE PRESENCE OF THE BODY AND BLOOD OF CHRIST, IS IN FACT an Anti-christ, such as the number 666

By the Power of the Holy Spirit we can find this in (John 6: 66)

FOOD FOR THOUGHT

Ufamtobie
 
It seems clear that those who believe what they do about the Catholic Church, even when those beliefs are completely erroneous, just want to keep believing as they do. Perhaps such persons are more comfortable that way.

If they were to understand the truth of what we believe, they might have to make adjustments in their thinking. It’s easier to just keep telling us, for example, that we believe that Jesus is sacrificed over and over, at every Mass. When we tell them that’s not so, that our belief is different from that, we are told that we don’t know our own religion.

On another subject it might be rather comical. On this subject, it’s just sad.
 
brkn1 said:
Transubstantiation of the bread is not scriptural.
Many use the word “blessed” as proof that Jesus did some miracle upon the bread and wine.
“Blessed” can mean to consecrate or set aside something for God, but the verses in the bible point to the natural meaning of “blessed”. When talking about the cup of wine, Jesus “gave thanks” to the Father. That giving thanks and acknowledging the Father indicates what Jesus meant by “blessed”.

(Luke 22:17&19) confirm my interpretation.
17. “And he took the cup, and GAVE THANKS,…”
19. “And He took bread and GAVE THANKS, and brake it, …”

The RCC and others turn “giving thanks” into a miracle.
Anyone can and should give thanks to God for everything, including the breaking bread in “remembrance” of Jesus and what He did to redeem us. It does not make sense how far some have taken scripture and twisted it into a word such as “transubstantiation”. It is unscriptural.

Look at (John 13:18). John does not even describe much about the Last Supper itself. Jesus says in verse 18: “…, He that EATETH BREAD with Me hath lifted up his heel against Me.”
Jesus did not say, “He that eateth ME…”. Jesus called the bread “BREAD”.

I do not care about this “superceding interpretation” nonsense you want to place on me. I have been using scripture to interpret what God’s Word is. You are the one who wants to force meaning out of scripture that really does not make sense. The word “transubstantiation” does not intimidate me in the least. It is just a man-made word to define something that scripture does not confirm. It is an attempt to use man’s wisdom to define God’s Wisdom.
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You left out the part where He said, take ye and eat this is my body…You also didn’t address the disciples he let walk away.

No, you are correct transubstantiation is not in the Bible, but our Lord’s words are, take ye and eat this is my body. Read my second post to your attention, neither is the word Trinity but we still believe in a Triune God, 3 divine persons in one God.

In reference to your remembrance statement, please answer one last question for me since you have taken the liberty of telling us what Catholics do wrong like it’s a factual statement when it’s only your opinion. What did the Lord mean when he said, This do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of me? Apparently, he meant for us to do this often, wouldn’t you agree?

1Co 11:25 In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying: This chalice is the new testament in my blood. This do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of me.

You did not use the word supercedes when speaking of your interpretation but you made it quite clear no man’s interpretation was of any importance to you since you had your own interpretation which to us sounds like your’s is correct, everyone else’s is wrong. If you can’t see that by now, with as many as posted that to you, you probably won’t.

You’ve also avoided addressing my thoughts on His instructions to the apostles before Pentacost. But, I will not push the issue. Avoiding the subject says alot… I let the others try to explain our faith to you.

Continue seeking.

May the peace of the Lord be with you.

Your brother in Christ,
Prodigal Son1
 
MelanieAnne said:
It seems clear that those who believe what they do about the Catholic Church, even when those beliefs are completely erroneous, just want to keep believing as they do. Perhaps such persons are more comfortable that way.

If they were to understand the truth of what we believe, they might have to make adjustments in their thinking. It’s easier to just keep telling us, for example, that we believe that Jesus is sacrificed over and over, at every Mass. When we tell them that’s not so, that our belief is different from that, we are told that we don’t know our own religion.

On another subject it might be rather comical. On this subject, it’s just sad.
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:amen:

Just say a few extra Hail Marys for them. 😉
 
brkn1 said:
I could say the same thing about you, even if you choose to go along with some other group of men’s interprtation.
It is better to stick with God’s Word as the Holy Spirit reveals it to any true believer. The other interpretations had better line up with God’s Word or they are false or corrupted.
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But I did read God’s Word and the Holy Spirit revealed to me that Jesus really meant what He said at the Last Supper. Why should I believe what the Holy Spirit revealed to you instead of what the Holy Spirit revealed to me?
 
wisdomseeker said:
I believe many people wish that Jesus would have built more bookstores to sell Bibles instead of the Church.

The Catholic Church fighting heresies for 2000 years.
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Amen! If only he had commanded the apostles to write Scriptures, instead of “just” commanding them to go and make disciples of all nations. 😛 😉
 
valient_Lucy said:
Amen! If only he had commanded the apostles to write Scriptures, instead of “just” commanding them to go and make disciples of all nations.
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But that’s just it, Jesus didn’t come to write a book, He came to found a faith. And He did. 🙂
 
brkn1 said:
Transubstantiation of the bread is not scriptural.
Many use the word “blessed” as proof that Jesus did some miracle upon the bread and wine.
“Blessed” can mean to consecrate or set aside something for God, but the verses in the bible point to the natural meaning of “blessed”. When talking about the cup of wine, Jesus “gave thanks” to the Father. That giving thanks and acknowledging the Father indicates what Jesus meant by “blessed”.

(Luke 22:17&19) confirm my interpretation.
17. “And he took the cup, and GAVE THANKS,…”
19. “And He took bread and GAVE THANKS, and brake it, …”

The RCC and others turn “giving thanks” into a miracle.
Anyone can and should give thanks to God for everything, including the breaking bread in “remembrance” of Jesus and what He did to redeem us. It does not make sense how far some have taken scripture and twisted it into a word such as “transubstantiation”. It is unscriptural.

Look at (John 13:18). John does not even describe much about the Last Supper itself. Jesus says in verse 18: “…, He that EATETH BREAD with Me hath lifted up his heel against Me.”
Jesus did not say, “He that eateth ME…”. Jesus called the bread “BREAD”.

I do not care about this “superceding interpretation” nonsense you want to place on me. I have been using scripture to interpret what God’s Word is. You are the one who wants to force meaning out of scripture that really does not make sense. The word “transubstantiation” does not intimidate me in the least. It is just a man-made word to define something that scripture does not confirm. It is an attempt to use man’s wisdom to define God’s Wisdom.
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BRKN1

Please define what the “Word of God” is to you. And if it means the scriptures, where in the Bible does it say that the Word of God is confined to the scriptures?
 
valient_Lucy said:
I’m being facetious.
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Oh, I know that! But I’m not sure everyone that posts to this thread knows Jesus didn’t come to write a book.

I once heard Mother Angelica talk about the Mass and talk about complaints from other faiths about Catholics and the Mass. Her response was that while other faiths may* talk *about Jesus, we actually commune with Him. I thought it was a good answer.

While we are doing as Jesus commanded us, other people are reading. Which ones are truly following Jesus? He did say to follow Him! He didn’t say to stay home and read!

Now, I’m not saying it’s bad to read, or wrong to read, but when you use that as your excuse not to do the most important thing Jesus commanded us to do, then all that reading and study is interfering with following Jesus, its not helping to follow Jesus.

Jesus founded our Catholic faith. Whatever anyone may say, there’s not one Protestant that can make that claim. Their religion was founded by a man, not by Jesus.
 
MelanieAnne said:
Oh, I know that! But I’m not sure everyone that posts to this thread knows Jesus didn’t come to write a book.

I once heard Mother Angelica talk about the Mass and talk about complaints from other faiths about Catholics and the Mass. Her response was that while other faiths may* talk *about Jesus, we actually commune with Him. I thought it was a good answer.

While we are doing as Jesus commanded us, other people are reading. Which ones are truly following Jesus? He did say to follow Him! He didn’t say to stay home and read!

Now, I’m not saying it’s bad to read, or wrong to read, but when you use that as your excuse not to do the most important thing Jesus commanded us to do, then all that reading and study is interfering with following Jesus, its not helping to follow Jesus.

Jesus founded our Catholic faith. Whatever anyone may say, there’s not one Protestant that can make that claim. Their religion was founded by a man, not by Jesus.
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Ok. Just wanted to make sure you knew.
 
justinthemartyr said:
BRKN1

Please define what the “Word of God” is to you. And if it means the scriptures, where in the Bible does it say that the Word of God is confined to the scriptures?
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The Word of God, in the scriptural sense, are the written words of what we call the book of the Bible.
The Author of these words is God the Father. The Holy Spirit is the One Who inspired the earthly writers of the Bible. Every word in that book came from the Father. There is a Genius to the Bible that confirms that only God could have been the Author of it. No other book comes even close to the perfection and depth of the Bible. A serious reader that has the Holy Spirit indwelling him will recognize what is the voice of God in the Bible. Any changes in the original meanings, wording, or false books, that man tries to sneak in as scriptural, will be recognizable as not of God. It will not have that voice of God to it and it will not fit into the context of what the Bible message is all about.
The Bible is a book that reveals and thereby glorifies God. Everything described in it points to our need for God and directs us into the right path to come to God according to His Will, not according to our will.
The greatest object of the Bible that glorifies God is the Lord Jesus Christ, Who is also described in the Bible as the Word of God.
God the Father gave us God the Son, Jesus the Word begotten of God, Who is revealed to us by God the Holy Spirit in the pages of the Holy Bible.
There is no other book that could even come close to the importance or Divine Majesty of the Bible. I truly question the sanity of any who suggest otherwise.
When Jesus fended off Satan, He always began with “It is written…”. What Jesus was referring to, when using those words, are the Scripture or God’s Word. That is the same thing I also refer to when I say God’s Word.
The New Testament part of the Bible was finished by John in Revelation. All of the New Testament was the final say and completion by God of His written word to us.
Revelation, as the last book, has a warning not to tamper with the words or add to the words of the book. Revelation is so tied into all of the prior Words of God, that it should be obvious that the rest of Scripture should not be twisted or added to. The penalty described with this warning should cause all who try to mess around with God’s Word to refrain from even thinking about doing so.
 
brkn1 said:
The Word of God, in the scriptural sense, are the written words of what we call the book of the Bible.
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The Word of God is Jesus: the Word made flesh to communicate with mankind face-to-face. The Word of God is not and cannot be limited to the pages of a book.

Your post suggests beliefs which come distubingly close to bibliolatry.
 
ibkc said:
The Word of God is Jesus: the Word made flesh to communicate with mankind face-to-face. The Word of God is not and cannot be limited to the pages of a book.

Your post suggests beliefs which come distubingly close to bibliolatry.
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I submit that this is a natural result of the focus on reading about Jesus and talking about Jesus, but never communing with Jesus as He directed us to do.

This thread’s opening line is not really accurate. It focuses on eating. That’s not what the Eucharist is all about. Father Corapi expressed it very well ~ he said that in the Eucharist, we do not assimilate Jesus into ourselves, He assimilates us into Him.

The folks that spend all their time talking about Jesus and reading about Jesus but never communing with Jesus in the manner in which He directed in the Gospel are missing out on the central aspect of Christianity.
 
MelanieAnne said:
The folks that spend all their time talking about Jesus and reading about Jesus but never communing with Jesus in the manner in which He directed in the Gospel are missing out on the central aspect of Christianity.
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BAM! so true! 👍
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Communing, of course, is meant by receiving Christ in the Holy Eucharist! not just reading about it.

For example, an analogy:
You can read about the sport of hockey for days, on how to skate, how to shoot, pass… and so on. But if you do not practice it, then you will never know how to play.

Same with this:
You can read about Jesus Christ in the bible and become expert so that you can refute any arguement, but if you do not practice what Jesus taught:
John 6: 54
"Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say unto you: except you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you."
Then basically that, “…you shall not have life in you”
 
ibkc said:
The Word of God is Jesus: the Word made flesh to communicate with mankind face-to-face. The Word of God is not and cannot be limited to the pages of a book.

Your post suggests beliefs which come distubingly close to bibliolatry.
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Your post suggests that God’s written word is something to be dismissed, if it does not fit the inventions of your church.

There is an obvious reason why you need to do so, since many of the beliefs put forth from your church do not line up with Scripture.

This thread is a good example. It seems that every time I bring up a biblical point that is based on the words of Scripture, which does not line up with some contradictory idea put forth by your church, you ignore the point and attack the validity of the Bible.

Why doesn’t someone here give me a good explanation as to how the RCC turned “GAVE THANKS” into (Edited) a consecration that only an ordained “priest” can do?
You can not do so, because it is not supported by the Bible, but instead you have to go to some man-made invention of other books that are unbiblical.

I would like to suggest that you are disturbingly close to “traditionolatry”.
You put man’s word as equal to or even superior to God’s Word.
Jesus condemned those who did this.
 
brkn1 said:
Why doesn’t someone here give me a good explanation as to how the RCC turned “GAVE THANKS” into (Edited) a consecration that only an ordained “priest” can do?
You can not do so, because it is not supported by the Bible, but instead you have to go to some man-made invention of other books that are unbiblical.
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Jesus set forth the pattern and it was followed by the Apostles who then carried on and taught those who came after them.

When your Father taught you how to hammer a nail into a piece of wood, he probably didn’t have you read a book about it, he probably showed you how, and explained how to do it to avoid hammering your fingers instead of the nail. And then you probably showed your son the same way. It’s not rocket science.

(Edited) Jesus is not a magician, He is God. Apparently not everyone believes that.
 
brkn1 said:
Your post suggests that God’s written word is something to be dismissed, if it does not fit the inventions of your church.
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Not at all. The Bible contains God’s inspired, inerrant word, and it is crucial for Christian understanding. It simply is not the only way He has chosen to teach us. God is limitless. He cannot be confined to the pages of a book.
 
brkn1 said:
You put man’s word as equal to or even superior to God’s Word.
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You get this from your interpretation of the Bible…again, aren’t you a man? You seem to be telling us in your words that your interpretation of the Bible is the only correct interpretation. Is this not putting yourself equal to or even superior to God’s word?

You have avoided to address several issues that I have presented and repeatedly asked for your thoughts. Instead you use an ad hominem worded post to insult Catholicism instead of using scriptures such as you have restricted us to when responding to you.

May the peace of the Lord be with you.
Prodigal Son1
 
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