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I just bought the book, Map of Heaven, by Eben Alexander, the doctor who had a NDE and wrote Proof of Heaven. It’s not going well so far, though I loved his last book. In this book he talks about Plato and Aristotle. On page 6 he writes, “There is much argument about how much or how little the mystery religions informed the attitudes of Jesus and the first Christians. The rite of baptism is shared with the mysteries, along with the concept of a God (or goddess) who dies and comes back to life, and in doing so, redeemed the world.”…

It’s believed that there are similarities between Christianity and mythology. How do we know Christianity wasn’t copied from mythology, besides by what’s written in the Scriptures?
 
Don’t take Alexander seriously. He is not a Christian. It is my understanding that he wants to start his own religion.

As for similarities between Christian beliefs and mythology - don’t let it bother you. There are similarities, but that doesn’t mean that one came from the other. Check out the threads by apologists, like Jimmy Akin. I’m sure he or another Catholic apologist has addressed this.
 
Bonnie said:
Don’t take Alexander seriously. He is not a Christian. It is my understanding that he wants to start his own religion.
As for similarities between Christian beliefs and mythology - don’t let it bother you. There are similarities, but that doesn’t mean that one came from the other. Check out the threads by apologists, like Jimmy Akin. I’m sure he or another Catholic apologist has addressed this.
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I found one podcast formaTion but he’s mostly talking about horus rather than all the pagan gods.

Zeitgeist Debunked is helpful but I’d like to find more.

As far as saying that it doesn’t mean one copied from the other, it doesn’t mean they didn’t.
 
Also, Zeitgeist Debunked talks about how none of the pagan myths predate Christianity but they are talking about how Christ was said to be made up, not a real, historical figure.
I’d like a point of view where the mythocists acknowledge Jesus was real but say that the miracles, virgin birth, resurrection etc. was copied from mythology and then debunked.
 
There is no reason to believe the truth is confined to Christianity. In fact it would be astonishing if mythology didn’t correspond in any way to reality. There was an unwitting consensus that value, purpose and meaning cannot be found in isolated physical events. Even our remote ancestors realised intuitively that materialism is false!
 
JimG said:
Christianity has its roots in Judaism, not in pagan cults. There have been many articles in the Catholic Answers Magazine or This Rock Magazine relating to such allegations. Modern mythicists are such poor historians.

Here is one article about Baptism and the Roman Mystery Cult and another about The Early Church Fathers and Paganism.

catholic.com/blog/jon-sorensen/baptism-and-the-roman-mystery-cults

catholic.com/blog/jon-sorensen/the-early-church-fathers-and-paganism
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The person interviewed in Zeitgeist Debunked Part 1 said mythicists believe Jesus never existed and that Christianity copied its virgin birth, resurrection after 3 days, having 12 disciples, miracles, magic etc. from Dionysus, Horus, Mithra, Krishna etc., but that Christianity predates these cults, that these cults copied from Christianity not the other way around.
Thoughts?
W
 
Faith1960 said:
The person interviewed in Zeitgeist Debunked Part 1 said mythicists believe Jesus never existed and that Christianity copied its virgin birth, resurrection after 3 days, having 12 disciples, miracles, magic etc. from Dionysus, Horus, Mithra, Krishna etc., but that Christianity predates these cults, that these cults copied from Christianity not the other way around.
Thoughts?
W
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Not magic, don’t know why I posted that, prob autocorrect.
 
tonyrey said:
There is no reason to believe the truth is confined to Christianity. In fact it would be astonishing if mythology didn’t correspond in any way to reality. There was an unwitting consensus that value, purpose and meaning cannot be found in isolated physical events. Even our remote ancestors realised intuitively that materialism is false!
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Could you explain further?
 
Faith1960 said:
Could you explain further?
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Even though many of their ideas were crude and primitive they believed in a spiritual world. They recognised the difference between good and evil and the need for atonement, although they sacrificed animals and even persons instead of doing something positive to make amends for their sins. They also believed in divine intervention in human affairs.
 
tonyrey said:
Even though many of their ideas were crude and primitive they believed in a spiritual world. They recognised the difference between good and evil and the need for atonement, although they sacrificed animals and even persons instead of doing something positive to make amends for their sins. They also believed in divine intervention in human affairs.
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What about a virgin birth, 12 disciples, the resurrection after 3 days,
and other things…did or could have the events of Christianity have been copied from mythology? If not, why not?
 
Faith1960 said:
What about a virgin birth, 12 disciples, the resurrection after 3 days,
and other things…did or could have the events of Christianity have been copied from mythology? If not, why not?
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The teaching of Jesus - and its correspondence to His life - could not have been copied. Even Dawkins admits it was ahead of its time.
 
Faith1960 said:
The person interviewed in Zeitgeist Debunked Part 1 said mythicists believe Jesus never existed…
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If Jesus never existed where did His teaching and how did the account of His life originate**? **One doesn’t need faith to realise that hypothesis raises more problems than it solves… 🙂
 
tonyrey said:
The teaching of Jesus - and its correspondence to His life - could not have been copied. Even Dawkins admits it was ahead of its time.
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There’s also 2 Peter 1:16. Since the Jews in the OT worshipped the true God and later in the NT, Jesus was recognized as the Son of God, they were well aware of mythology and rejected it.
 
Faith1960 said:
There’s also 2 Peter 1:16. Since the Jews in the OT worshipped the true God and later in the NT, Jesus was recognized as the Son of God, they were well aware of mythology and rejected it.
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👍 Irrefutable!
 
Faith1960 said:
I just bought the book, Map of Heaven, by Eben Alexander, the doctor who had a NDE and wrote Proof of Heaven. It’s not going well so far, though I loved his last book. In this book he talks about Plato and Aristotle. On page 6 he writes, “There is much argument about how much or how little the mystery religions informed the attitudes of Jesus and the first Christians. The rite of baptism is shared with the mysteries, along with the concept of a God (or goddess) who dies and comes back to life, and in doing so, redeemed the world.”…

It’s believed that there are similarities between Christianity and mythology. How do we know Christianity wasn’t copied from mythology, besides by what’s written in the Scriptures?
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The first human was a prophet su humanbeing know God, Heavens. But by the time humans got away from prophets and revelations. So the knowledge of revelations were forgotten or changed.

İn everytimes humanbeing believe in a supernatural power/being but in details there have been many differents. Also now humans have many different beliefs(in details) in a religion.
 
Remember that the first human beings knew God quite well – and then fell. So the similarities if they really exist, between faith and myth, could as easily be a flawed cultural memory of the truth, shaped into a mythology, as a mythology turned into a faith.

The Gospels do not have the structure of a mythology. Mythology generates over centuries; it does not appear within two generations, wrapped around someone with a real name, living in a specific place and time, under a specific Roman emperor, etc, told by people who knew that physical someone.

As scholars have long said, “Correlation does not imply causation.”

ICXC NIKA
 
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The Gospels do not have the structure of a mythology.
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I don’t know what you mean by “structure of mythology”, but the Gospels, viewed from a non-confessional perspective, would certainly seem to have lots of mythological elements – even if those elements are sited at a real place and time.
Mythology generates over centuries; it does not appear within two generations, wrapped around someone with a real name, living in a specific place and time, under a specific Roman emperor, etc, told by people who knew that physical someone.
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As scholars have long said, “Correlation does not imply causation.”
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ICXC NIKA
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The myths of Ned Ludd and the Roswell UFO both arose within two generations of their first mentions.
 
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