March for Life 2011

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 I haven't posted in a while; life has been kind of crazy. But after attending the March for Life, I just had to hop on here and post a thank you to the Catholics and non-Catholics who came out today. I know it's fun and educational to argue doctrine on the forums, but it's nice to know that when the chips are down, Christians of all stripes can really put their differences aside and unite for a common cause. 

 I think we can all agree that abortion is murder, and that murder is a sin. There is a genocide happening right before our very eyes; the targeting and eradication of millions. I was part of a Lutheran group, but was happy to see many Catholics came out, as well as some Orthodox churches and some different Protestant groups. Nancy Pelosi may not hear us, but we can rest assured that our dear Lord Jesus, who took the children in His arms and blessed them, hears us loud and clear.
Pax,

Nominefili
 
Nominefili said:
Hey all!
Code: 
 I haven't posted in a while; life has been kind of crazy. But after attending the March for Life, I just had to hop on here and post a thank you to the Catholics and non-Catholics who came out today. I know it's fun and educational to argue doctrine on the forums, but it's nice to know that when the chips are down, Christians of all stripes can really put their differences aside and unite for a common cause. 

 I think we can all agree that abortion is murder, and that murder is a sin. There is a genocide happening right before our very eyes; the targeting and eradication of millions. I was part of a Lutheran group, but was happy to see many Catholics came out, as well as some Orthodox churches and some different Protestant groups. Nancy Pelosi may not hear us, but we can rest assured that our dear Lord Jesus, who took the children in His arms and blessed them, hears us loud and clear.
Pax,

Nominefili
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👍 MARCH ON FOR LIFE, KEEP ON MARCHING, I’M ON YOUR SIDE. 👍
 
I happened to have an errand to run dowtown yesterday and was able to watch the “March for Life” folks walking around the federal courthouse. The sidewalks were full of pro-life folks but I only saw 2 pro-abortion folks.
 
Nominefili said:
Hey all!
Code: 
 I haven't posted in a while; life has been kind of crazy. But after attending the March for Life, I just had to hop on here and post a thank you to the Catholics and non-Catholics who came out today. I know it's fun and educational to argue doctrine on the forums, but it's nice to know that when the chips are down, Christians of all stripes can really put their differences aside and unite for a common cause. 

 I think we can all agree that abortion is murder, and that murder is a sin. There is a genocide happening right before our very eyes; the targeting and eradication of millions. I was part of a Lutheran group, but was happy to see many Catholics came out, as well as some Orthodox churches and some different Protestant groups. Nancy Pelosi may not hear us, but we can rest assured that our dear Lord Jesus, who took the children in His arms and blessed them, hears us loud and clear.
Pax,

Nominefili
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Good work Nominefili! I know that it was very cold yesterday and yet people like you marched for life!👍
I watched on EWTN - any idea how many came to march?
 
Nominefili said:
Hey all!
Code: 
 I haven't posted in a while; life has been kind of crazy. But after attending the March for Life, I just had to hop on here and post a thank you to the Catholics and non-Catholics who came out today. I know it's fun and educational to argue doctrine on the forums, but it's nice to know that when the chips are down, Christians of all stripes can really put their differences aside and unite for a common cause. 

 I think we can all agree that abortion is murder, and that murder is a sin. There is a genocide happening right before our very eyes; the targeting and eradication of millions. I was part of a Lutheran group, but was happy to see many Catholics came out, as well as some Orthodox churches and some different Protestant groups. Nancy Pelosi may not hear us, but we can rest assured that our dear Lord Jesus, who took the children in His arms and blessed them, hears us loud and clear.
Pax,

Nominefili
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Nice job Nomine. Just wondering would you also walk to end the death penalty in the United States?
 
Mikeoffaith said:
Nice job Nomine. Just wondering would you also walk to end the death penalty in the United States?
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Nope. The state has the power to punish evildoers in whatever way it sees fit. The scripture is pretty clear on that.

Personally, I think the death penalty is kind of silly; the cost of the appeals far exceeds the costs of life imprisonment, and there is no evidence that captial punishment is a deterrent for crime. That said, in the eyes of the world, Augustine’s kingdom of the left, murderers and rapists are not innocents. Unborn children are. Of course, all are born under the curse of original sin, but that’s kingdom of the right stuff.
 
Nominefili said:
Nope. The state has the power to punish evildoers in whatever way it sees fit. The scripture is pretty clear on that.

Personally, I think the death penalty is kind of silly; the cost of the appeals far exceeds the costs of life imprisonment, and there is no evidence that captial punishment is a deterrent for crime. That said, in the eyes of the world, Augustine’s kingdom of the left, murderers and rapists are not innocents. Unborn children are. Of course, all are born under the curse of original sin, but that’s kingdom of the right stuff.
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Yes quite silly. Just because the state has the power does that make it just? Is it what the Gospel calls us to do? Hmm I don’t think I am qualified to make the determination which life is more valuable than another.
 
Mikeoffaith said:
Yes quite silly. Just because the state has the power does that make it just? Is it what the Gospel calls us to do? Hmm I don’t think I am qualified to make the determination which life is more valuable than another.
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It is your duty as a Christian to protect innocent life from aggressors.

The death penalty does just that.

In the past 30 years over 1000 people have been killed by those previously convicted of murder.(of these, over 500 were in prison)

The blood of these innocent victims can be partially blamed on those who prevented these killers from being executed.
 
CHESTERTONRULES said:
It is your duty as a Christian to protect innocent life from aggressors.

The death penalty does just that.

In the past 30 years over 1000 people have been killed by those previously convicted of murder.(of these, over 500 were in prison)

The blood of these innocent victims can be partially blamed on those who prevented these killers from being executed.
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This is an over the top conservative reply…when we add unwanted emotions to responses we forget to see the beauty of each and every person. I for one know that Christ loved everyone…so why are prisoners on death row any different??? Answer: Their not 👍
 
hxcCatholic413 said:
This is an over the top conservative reply…when we add unwanted emotions to responses we forget to see the beauty of each and every person. I for one know that Christ loved everyone…so why are prisoners on death row any different??? Answer: Their not 👍
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I thought it was very fact based and reasonable.

Which fact do you think is over the top?

Our duty as Christians is to protect innocent life. Sometimes it is necessary to kill aggressors to protect the innocent.

2265 Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility.
 
To start, I’d like to congratulate everyone who participated in the March for Life. Good job!

As for this secondary discussion regarding the death penalty here’s my two cents…

I’m pro-life. That means I believe in the sanctity of life from conception until natural death. The death penalty is not natural. In fact, I find it ironic that fellow Christians can support the death penalty considering that our Lord was cruelly executed. So I oppose abortion and I oppose the death penalty.

To quote the Catechism:

2267 Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the tradtional teaching of the Chuch does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.
If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity with the dignity of the human person.
Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm – without definitively talking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself – the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity “are very rare, if not practically non-existent”
 
jtodisco said:
To start, I’d like to congratulate everyone who participated in the March for Life. Good job!

As for this secondary discussion regarding the death penalty here’s my two cents…

I’m pro-life. That means I believe in the sanctity of life from conception until natural death. The death penalty is not natural.** In fact, I find it ironic that fellow Christians can support the death penalty considering that our Lord was cruelly executed.** So I oppose abortion and I oppose the death penalty.
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Yes, our Lord was cruelly executed. But what did He say about it?

Let’s look at John 19:10-11 (ESV) -
So Pilate said to him, “You will not speak to me? Do you not know that I have authority to release you and authority to crucify you?” Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.”
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The power over Jesus was ‘given to’ Pilate ‘from above.’ Furthermore, Jesus did not blame Pilate, nor did He condemn the death penalty, but rather Jesus blamed Judas, who knew the Law and knew that Jesus was innocent of the charge of false prophecy, and yet turned Him over in exchange for thirty silver pieces.

Just food for thought.

Also, this has turned into a pretty cool discussion. I just give thanks that no one is on here arguing the merits of abortion! :rolleyes:
 
CHESTERTONRULES said:
I thought it was very fact based and reasonable.

Which fact do you think is over the top?

Our duty as Christians is to protect innocent life. Sometimes it is necessary to kill aggressors to protect the innocent.
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Yes, let us kill others to prevent them from killing innocent life. Who decides who is innocent? WWJD?? perhaps “turn the other cheek”?? 2265 only allows death penalty when the “state” doesn’t have means to control a prisoner and in this country we have the means.
 
Nominefili said:
The power over Jesus was ‘given to’ Pilate ‘from above.’ Furthermore, Jesus did not blame Pilate, nor did He condemn the death penalty, but rather Jesus blamed Judas, who knew the Law and knew that Jesus was innocent of the charge of false prophecy, and yet turned Him over in exchange for thirty silver pieces.

Just food for thought.

Also, this has turned into a pretty cool discussion. I just give thanks that no one is on here arguing the merits of abortion! :rolleyes:
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I’m all in favor of free thinking, but the **essential **message in Christianity is non-violence. The whole premise of the Death Penalty is to “wipe out an undesirable” whether supporters accept it or not that is what is occurring. I find it rather ironic that supporters of abortion and supporters of the death penalty argue for their cause the exact same way. The way i’m referring to is: they see it as a benefit of society, a good is coming out of it. It’s a woman’s right or it’s the right of the citizens/victims. Hmmm it’s even more ironic that people argue that you can’t be Christian and pro-choice, but you can be Christian and pro-death penalty. Makes you wonder :confused:
 
hxcCatholic413 said:
I’m all in favor of free thinking, but the **essential **message in Christianity is non-violence. The whole premise of the Death Penalty is to “wipe out an undesirable” whether supporters accept it or not that is what is occurring. I find it rather ironic that supporters of abortion and supporters of the death penalty argue for their cause the exact same way. The way i’m referring to is: they see it as a benefit of society, a good is coming out of it. it’s a woman’s right or it’s the right of the citizens/victims. Hmmm it’s even more ironic that people argue that you can’t be Christian and pro-choice, but you can be Christian and pro-death penalty. Makes you wonder :confused:
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The Lutheran position is neither in favor of capital punishment or against it. Our belief is that God has given the authority to the State to decide what to do with evildoers (hence my quote from our dear Lord Himself attesting to this.) In other words, if we are in a non-death penalty state, to carry out a death sentence would be a crime. Conversely, to give a child rapist and murderer the needle in Texas is not condemned by scripture nor by God.
 
Nominefili said:
The Lutheran position is neither in favor of capital punishment or against it. Our belief is that God has given the authority to the State to decide what to do with evildoers (hence my quote from our dear Lord Himself attesting to this.) In other words, if we are in a non-death penalty state, to carry out a death sentence would be a crime. Conversely, to give a child rapist and murderer the needle in Texas is not condemned by scripture nor by God.
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Thanks for discussing your Church’s view on this matter. My reply wasn’t directed towards a certain denomination, but rather to all the Christian faithful alike. The death penalty is immoral and so is other intrinsic evils **(**I’ll be waiting for an “over the top conservative” reply about how the death penalty isn’t an intrinsic evil 😉 )
 
hxcCatholic413 said:
Thanks for discussing your Church’s view on this matter. My reply wasn’t directed towards a certain denomination, but rather to all the Christian faithful alike. The death penalty is immoral and so is other intrinsic evils **(**I’ll be waiting for an “over the top conservative” reply about how the death penalty isn’t an intrinsic evil 😉 )
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It is worth noting that, at least within the United States, all crimes for which the death penalty is proscribed are likewise ‘intrinsic evils.’
 
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